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I am on tork Stage 1+ with EC V4 intake and Full GWR exhaust

with good 93 octane gas

I pulled away from a new 5.7L Charger R/T from a 40MPH roll
A 5.7 Charger R/T is a low 13 second 1/4 mile car. Are you saying that your 124 Spider is a low 13 second car?
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Was the Charger aware that you were racing? LOL.
Or starting stationary?
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A 5.7 Charger R/T is a low 13 second 1/4 mile car. Are you saying that your 124 Spider is a low 13 second car?

If the car that EC used for the Phase 1/2 Dyno sheets were to run at its 208WHP at 2700lbs it would be 13.689 and 99.57MPH per the Drag Times Calculator.

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I think it's more reasonable to say that the stock car is 130ish to the wheel. I think any dyno showing 150ish to the wheel is a very, very generous dyno. But again, it's the delta that matters.

I don't think SAE correction is necessarily important for a single dyno session, but normalizing the data in some consistent way is important for comparing sessions on different days. I consider this to be an educated opinion, and would certainly be open to being wrong about it if some subject matter experts speak to it.
130ish? Please don't burst my bubble. Let me have my generous dyno results.

When Flyin' Miata did my dyno testing Jeremy Ferber and I had a discussion about SAE correction. He was convinced none should be used on turbo cars. And keep in mind they build turbo cars as well. But you're right, if dyno testing is done on same dyno but weather conditions are drastically different how do you account for that without some correction formula? One thing I don't like is that the correction formulas can be manipulated by the tuner. It would be nice if all dynos were web-linked to automatically download the local absolute barometric pressure, temperature and humidity with no input allowed from the tuner.

Out of curiosity, what, if any, correction factors are used on EC's dyno charts? I apologize if it's there somewhere and I missed it. I see on Auto Ricambi's website they show the correction factor as STD Smoothing 5. Since standard correction gives about 4% more HP numbers than SAE correction I would say their numbers are about what I achieved since I got 179 WHP uncorrected and if I added in that 4% (just for grins) it would be 186. I achieved just slightly more torque than they did. But peak numbers mean nothing if the rest of the results are sloppy.
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Was the Charger aware that you were racing? LOL.

The new charger shuts down 4 cylinders when idling. They just failed to get back on line in a timely manner, lol
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An important line from my Tork versus EC tune review that shouldn't be overlooked:

"In my opinion, based entirely on my very subjective, seat-of-the-pants butt dyno,"

I stand by my opinions in that review, but they are entirely that - opinions. There's zero science behind them.

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Well

I am on tork Stage 1+ with EC V4 intake and Full GWR exhaust

with good 93 octane gas

I pulled away from a new 5.7L Charger R/T from a 40MPH roll
Giggle.
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@klikai would you be willing to meet up with someone that has a -working- EC Phase 2 tune?

1+ vs P2 would be a fun comparison!

Where do you live?

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Also, the jokes/pointless comments on a tuned car pulling away from a boat are not appreciated. Show some respect peeps.

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Was the Charger aware that you were racing? LOL.
LOL

Yes we were following two mustangs

and punched it the sametime when they did their roll

now I won because of the weight

They had 3 people in the car...3 fat dudes....so that is about at least 250lbs -300 lbs per person extra conservatively

I doubt the car will go any faster with that weight
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