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Columbo & Bariani camshaft

Hello,
I just bought the upgraded camshaft, but I haven't seen any specific thread on it.

Anybody has installed it yet? Dyno results? Advantages/disadvantages?!?

Moreover is there a specific map to optimise it? Or anybody had any issues using some flashes in conjunction with it?

Thanks Patrick
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No one has installed it on the forum yet so your treading new waters.
Did you get the cam install tool kit too?
Are you planning on doing the install your self?
Cant wait to hear your impressions. @Greg @[email protected]

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Hello,
I just bought the upgraded camshaft, but I haven't seen any specific thread on it.

Anybody has installed it yet? Dyno results? Advantages/disadvantages?!?

Moreover is there a specific map to optimise it? Or anybody had any issues using some flashes in conjunction with it?

Thanks Patrick
Make sure you buy or have access to the specialty tools required for the installation.

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I plan on a cam upgrade as well - except I am planning on aquiring a stock cam core and having a local reputable cam grinder set up a profile with me. As for what to expect, I would imagine it's going to move the rev band higher and help to make the power band a bit more peakier. Expect a meaner exhaust note as well.

And with that being said... if you want to sell your old camshaft after the installation, I would be happy to buy it

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I seem to remember a post from someone here that had the cam. He never did speak about it and seems to have disappeared. I've read a few posts in the 500 forum about the cam upgrade but didn't see any evidence that it was worth the expense and hassle. I look forward to hearing about your results. I hope you do some before/after dyno testing to get some real data.
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I seem to remember a post from someone here that had the cam. He never did speak about it and seems to have disappeared. I've read a few posts in the 500 forum about the cam upgrade but didn't see any evidence that it was worth the expense and hassle. I look forward to hearing about your results. I hope you do some before/after dyno testing to get some real data.
Come to think of it wasnt it Junior with the early EC turbo release that had it?

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Come to think of it wasnt it Junior with the early EC turbo release that had it?
That might have been it. I wonder how he is getting on with the big turbo?

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That might have been it. I wonder how he is getting on with the big turbo?
Dont know.
I think I scared him away.

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OK Guys,
Happy to see a bunch of feedbacks on my thread,
I'll give it a try to answer all of your questions/curiosities..

First of all, YES next week I'm going to install it myself and YES I had to get all of the special tools ($150 timing tool - $100 crankshaft - eBay)

(BTW they are both necessary, cause the even crankshaft tool, which I thought of just being "nice to have" actually it's a must when you need to hold still the timing pulley IOT tighten the lug which holds the pulley connected to the camshaft (80-100 ft/lbs )

I'll try be as "scientific" as possible in my testings (please pass me the word I'm just a private enthusiast),
by that i mean:
I did dyno my car one week ago on a 4WD dyno;
After I change camshaft i'll repeat the test on the very same dyno (without changing any map or anything else).

Hopefully I should see some improvement as It is..
Some seller claims (outside the US) an increase of 25-30 hp with no map, up to 235hp with a simple stage 2 and up to 280 hp with a stuffed turbo.
This brings me to another point..

Maps..
As far as I know the only vendor which did develop specific maps for this camshaft is EC and you can read it on their site:

https://shopeurocompulsion.net/colle...00l-dodge-dart

https://www.124spider.org/forum/10-e...coming-ec.html

Camshaft:
I bought the Columbo & Bariani which is the one sold by EC (even tough being sold-out forced me to get it directly from the factory where the owner, which I talked to, claims about selling over a 100 worldwide for 124 Spider and several hundreds for different Multiair applications).
As far as I know there's another vendor (TMC) selling a specific 124 "upgraded camshaft" even if he never stated the original manufacturer.
I do remember reading somewhere on the forum a post by Greg in which he was very upset with TMC for using EC original pictures of the C&B camshaft for promoting their camshaft product (which ultimately brings me to believe that at the end C&B is the only manufacturer..)

https://www.tmcmotorsport.com/product/7753

This is a sum up off all of the info's I gathered on the subject.. please feel free to add or correct me if I'm wrong..
I hope Greg will join the conversation soon IOT provide real professional testing feedbacks and tells us if a specific map is still available.

Thanks Patrick

Ps: Zonker I'm available to sell my OEM camshaft given a minimum "break in" period with the new one..
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Multiair tuning and development makes 3 types of camshafts, they are located in Greece.
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