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I see.

I was watching an episode of Pistons & Petrol on YouTube and he started going off on EC.

Don't mean to start a bitchfest, but why so much hate of EC?
Itís honestly not worth discussing.

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I see.

I was watching an episode of Pistons & Petrol on YouTube and he started going off on EC.

Don't mean to start a bitchfest, but why so much hate of EC?
Sometimes people get too much into the Team Edward vs Team Jacob. Yes, it's a Twilight reference. And yes, it really is that childish. I've stumbled into it on occasion, but I try to keep my distance from the drama. Now, back to the subject


Those pics that show a larger opening in the turbo- don't be too impressed by that alone. Remember that the throttle body is still only about 46mm diameter. We have a solution for that, but I won't be testing it until I dig in for the IC and piping. And even after I've installed the bigger throttle body, the opening on the intake manifold is only about 50mm, so if you want bigger (if the head can even deal with the greater flow potential) you have to get creative with the intake manifold. I may have a solution for the manifold, too, but I need to come across a used one I can tear up, first.

Anyway, everywhere in the intake path is bottleneck after bottleneck. It's done for fuel economy, and because it's just a pretty small engine.
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I see.

I was watching an episode of Pistons & Petrol on YouTube and he started going off on EC.
Don't mean to start a bitchfest, but why so much hate of EC?
Not hate.

But Suspicion.

Specially the 4WD dyno problem that nobody else have
they claim that the vehicle pulls power on a 4WD dyno where no one else has this issue

For ALL the tunes, there isn't a 3rd party media or person with accurate equipment at
an ideal condition (similar modification / sea level air)to test out the actual performance
increase or differences between different tune.


EC had the biggest dispute because the power level and trap times does not match the
claims. OFT has very little present in this game, and Tork has some trap speed information.

I don't want to start a fight, but this is what I observed as a customer.

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I see.

I was watching an episode of Pistons & Petrol on YouTube and he started going off on EC.
Don't mean to start a bitchfest, but why so much hate of EC?
Not hate.

But Suspicion.

Specially the 4WD dyno problem that nobody else have
they claim that the vehicle pulls power on a 4WD dyno where no one else has this issue

For ALL the tunes, there isn't a 3rd party media or person with accurate equipment at
an ideal condition (similar modification / sea level air)to test out the actual performance
increase or differences between different tune.


EC had the biggest dispute because the power level and trap times does not match the
claims. OFT has very little present in this game, and Tork has some trap speed information.

I don't want to start a fight, but this is what I observed as a customer.
I have literally compared both tunes same mods/same day/same conditions. Thanks though.
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I have literally compared both tunes same mods/same day/same conditions. Thanks though.
I assume there was a thread. Can you please post a link? Thanks.
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I have literally compared both tunes same mods/same day/same conditions. Thanks though.
I know you have

But I remember there being some dispute
so it wasn't exactly perfect.

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I have literally compared both tunes same mods/same day/same conditions. Thanks though.
I know you have

But I remember there being some dispute
so it wasn't exactly perfect.
No disputes that I know about, maybe some people that don’t like the results lol. The thread is on the brokenfiatclub.

As for waiting for perfect conditions...well, those will never happen. There is a wind tunnel with environmental controls and full CANBUS data logging that is $30,000/hour. I get the strangest feeling that with eeeeeevvvveeeennnn that, people will move the goal post even further.

That is particularly why I took a step back and saw that we’re in a situation where leak numbers don’t differentiate what I was feeling. The devil is in the details and just like in the audio world, you should buy what sounds good to the things glued to the sides of your head. Try it and buy it, that seemed to be the least partial conclusion I could come to.
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No disputes that I know about, maybe some people that donít like the results lol. The thread is on the brokenfiatclub.

As for waiting for perfect conditions...well, those will never happen. There is a wind tunnel with environmental controls and full CANBUS data logging that is $30,000/hour. I get the strangest feeling that with eeeeeevvvveeeennnn that, people will move the goal post even further.

That is particularly why I took a step back and saw that weíre in a situation where leak numbers donít differentiate what I was feeling. The devil is in the details and just like in the audio world, you should buy what sounds good to the things glued to the sides of your head. Try it and buy it, that seemed to be the least partial conclusion I could come to.
You know I know

So You know where I'm going with this
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No disputes that I know about, maybe some people that donít like the results lol. The thread is on the brokenfiatclub.

As for waiting for perfect conditions...well, those will never happen. There is a wind tunnel with environmental controls and full CANBUS data logging that is $30,000/hour. I get the strangest feeling that with eeeeeevvvveeeennnn that, people will move the goal post even further.

That is particularly why I took a step back and saw that weíre in a situation where leak numbers donít differentiate what I was feeling. The devil is in the details and just like in the audio world, you should buy what sounds good to the things glued to the sides of your head. Try it and buy it, that seemed to be the least partial conclusion I could come to.

If you don't mind, would you shoot me the link in PM?

My understanding is that the stuffed turbo there is similar to the one Tork also had available. It's a ported 1446 with a 1752 wheel in it or something? I don't know the exact details, but John told me specifically, he didn't have too much luck making a lot of power on that turbo and that the aFe seemed to be better. No testing to back this claim, but that is what I've heard. Also EC's dyno results don't look that amazing for the Stage 3. Upgrading the turbo doesn't get much more power considering how much money the turbo upgrade is. It's ~20whp difference and the spool is definitely slower by several 100 RPMs according to their charts.

I see a 24.5 BHP gain over Phase 2 when going to a stuffed turbo, to me, that's not enough power to justify spending $1,600 for the turbo. That's the main reason why I'm not talking about that turbo in this thread, because it doesn't really seem to be that great IMO. There need to be better options available, and that turbo is a lot more expensive than the aFe turbo, and generates probably 20 or less whp over stock turbo.

Regarding Eddie hating EC, he has personal issues with them from what I've heard. Basically bad customer experience with the company, plus he said things about them on a forum they own, so he wasn't happen when he was silenced by the company. That's mainly why he has a chip on his shoulder, I would listen with a grain of salt, research, and make your own decision.
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Here is the link: https://brokenfiat.club/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=149. I only delayed because I wasn't sure if I could cross forum link and I am on too many forums to recall all of the specific forum rules; I checked for them here but couldn't find them....anyway, I think it's reasonable to cross link so here we are.
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