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Anything is possible, but the current 2020 FIAT 124 code guides still show the 1.4 turbo as the only engine.
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My thoughts exactly.
I was wondering, as I read this, if this was a potential means of getting the Spider back into the UK market? Rampant speculation on my part, and I'm not hung up on the actual cc's as much as I am the performance you get from the engine. I mean, look at how much engine tech has improved in the past 20 years.
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1.3 though lol...

Im not even sure if it would have more aftermarket capabilities than the current 1.4...

Hopefully it is much lighter and more efficient? Faster spool would be great.
1368cc vs 1332cc. It is going to have the same capabilities if not more from the direct injection.
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I was wondering, as I read this, if this was a potential means of getting the Spider back into the UK market? Rampant speculation on my part, and I'm not hung up on the actual cc's as much as I am the performance you get from the engine. I mean, look at how much engine tech has improved in the past 20 years.
I don’t really know, sorry. I don’t even know why Fiat stopped selling 124 Spider in the UK.

Ironically, judging by the dozens upon dozens of overwhelmingly positive reviews of 124 Spider I've watched online, Brits seemed the most universally thrilled with the car —followed perhaps by Germans and Australians.

While there are many equally positive American —and Canadian— reviews of 124 Spider, some reviewers can’t seem to get past Miata comparisons...and the cupholders.

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I wonder if Fiat does change the 124's engine for 2020 if they will stick with the Miata NC transmission? hope so
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According to what I’ve read, when Fiat was developing the 2017 Spider there wasn’t enough testing done on the new ND transmission to risk using it with the stronger Fiat 1.4T engine.

However, that was then; this is now: Mazda has had 4-5 years since then to test the ND transmission. The Miata 2.0 engine has much stronger numbers for 2019 and comes with the same transmission. My guess is now that sufficient data exists, the ND transmission will be the only going forward.
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Agreed, it would probably get the ND2 tranny unless it gets new FCA ones...which would probably be not as good...

So, it would probably be 2021 with the new engine?

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I read that it’s supposed to be on Spider by 2020. Spider’s production cycle seems to follow MX-5’s by one year.

But this 1.3T is all-new. It still has to appear on Jeep Renegade, Fiat 500 and 500 Abarth, and a bunch of other vehicles with more sales opportunity than 124 Spider so, who knows...

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According to what Ive read, when Fiat was developing the 2017 Spider there wasnt enough testing done on the new ND transmission to risk using it with the stronger Fiat 1.4T engine.

However, that was then; this is now: Mazda has had 4-5 years since then to test the ND transmission. The Miata 2.0 engine has much stronger numbers for 2019 and comes with the same transmission. My guess is now that sufficient data exists, the ND transmission will be the only going forward.
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I've not been as active on the forum recently due to skiing/snowboarding season and work. But I don't believe we'll see the 1.3 in the 124 any time soon. From what I can tell Fiat is doing very little investment in continuing the 124. That doesn't mean they are going to stop it, but if they can't even invest almost no money in getting Apple CarPlay or any of the other Miata 2019 improvements (e.g. door hinges, tilt/telescope steering wheel etc) then I don't see them making the much more significant investment to change the engine to the 1.3.

Remember that the car is built on the Miata production line, so the cost to switch to the 1.3 will be higher than if it was a FCA production line

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