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Test set up:

2017 Spider Lusso
Automatic Transmission
EuroCompulsion Euro-Drive Lite-Dynamic Tune
EuroCompulsion V1 Air Intake
Home made muffler delete
Full tank of gas
Ambient Temp-75 F
Inlet Air Temperature 89-82 F
Traction Control Off
Car left in Drive letting it shift at 6250 rpm.
Top Down
Only me in the car(155 lbs)
Tire Air Pressure 29.1 PSI
Recording device-Ultra gauge OBDII instrument/use VSS for data collection
Flat asphalt road...as much as you can tell...

I made multiple runs. Without loading the torque converter produces the slowest 0-60 of 6.92 sec. This converter will not flash very high so that is why it is slow this way. You can load the converter up to around 2600-2700 rpm. This produced the fastest time of 6.40 seconds but also produced wheel spin out of the hole. I had multiple runs of 6.44 to 6.48 seconds. On a stickier surface I believe you may be able to load it a little more, possibly to almost 3000 rpm. With the top up, a cooler morning and a stickier surface a 6.0 or 5.9 could be possible. Manually shifting the automatic may also produce a faster time due the requirement of the transmission to make a shift from 2 to 3 right before 60 mph. My next runs will be made manually shifting the car. I will try to get out early in the morning to make some manual runs.
 

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So happy I'm not into numbers or performance mods. I just love driving whatever is in front of me.

I apologize for this post, and my disregard for .01 differences in stats.
I have put 2000 miles on my car in 7 weeks driving the mountain roads of Arizona not once worrying about the 0-60 time. ;) On another note...some people would like to know the performance of certain mods. I will do the best to provide some useful information in my spare time. Have a great day driving you Spider.
 

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Test set up:

2017 Spider Lusso
Automatic Transmission
EuroCompulsion Euro-Drive Lite-Dynamic Tune
EuroCompulsion V1 Air Intake
Home made muffler delete
Full tank of gas
Ambient Temp-75 F
Inlet Air Temperature 89-82 F
Traction Control Off
Car left in Drive letting it shift at 6250 rpm.
Top Down
Only me in the car(155 lbs)
Tire Air Pressure 29.1 PSI
Recording device-Ultra gauge OBDII instrument/use VSS for data collection
Flat asphalt road...as much as you can tell...

I made multiple runs. Without loading the torque converter produces the slowest 0-60 of 6.92 sec. This converter will not flash very high so that is why it is slow this way. You can load the converter up to around 2600-2700 rpm. This produced the fastest time of 6.40 seconds but also produced wheel spin out of the hole. I had multiple runs of 6.44 to 6.48 seconds. On a stickier surface I believe you may be able to load it a little more, possibly to almost 3000 rpm. With the top up, a cooler morning and a stickier surface a 6.0 or 5.9 could be possible. Manually shifting the automatic may also produce a faster time due the requirement of the transmission to make a shift from 2 to 3 right before 60 mph. My next runs will be made manually shifting the car. I will try to get out early in the morning to make some manual runs.

Thx for taking the time to post
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Yes. Thank you Pure. Can I call you Pure?

Many of us are interested in how much improvement a certain device or combination of devices can provide. I have the same set up, except for the muffler delete. I noticed a bit more rumble out the back when I installed the EDL. Did you notice that or had you already deleted the muffler? Also, did you purchase a part online, or go to a muffler shop to delete your muffler?
 

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Yes. Thank you Pure. Can I call you Pure?

Many of us are interested in how much improvement a certain device or combination of devices can provide. I have the same set up, except for the muffler delete. I noticed a bit more rumble out the back when I installed the EDL. Did you notice that or had you already deleted the muffler? Also, did you purchase a part online, or go to a muffler shop to delete your muffler?
Pure is just fine. I already had the muffler delete on. I had it made by a local muffler shop. Some of these shops are really good at this type of stuff.
 

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You can load the converter up to around 2600-2700 rpm. This produced the fastest time of 6.40 seconds but also produced wheel spin out of the hole.
Good job. 6.4 is a pretty good time. There are no official 0-60 specs for the automatic as far as I can tell, but I think that's a full 1 second faster than stock. It's tough to tell because the numbers are effected by a lot of variables. TFL got about 8.7 in their "very unofficial" 0-60 test, but that was in San Diego, I assume in higher temperatures, and with two people in the car. They had a stick shift, but it doesn't look like they were shifting very fast :


I had multiple runs of 6.44 to 6.48 seconds. On a stickier surface I believe you may be able to load it a little more, possibly to almost 3000 rpm. With the top up, a cooler morning and a stickier surface a 6.0 or 5.9 could be possible.
sticky surface and lower temps and you just might.

Manually shifting the automatic may also produce a faster time due the requirement of the transmission to make a shift from 2 to 3 right before 60 mph. My next runs will be made manually shifting the car. I will try to get out early in the morning to make some manual runs.
I don't think it will with the Dynamic map, but maybe. It's worth trying. Shifting at 6250 with that map seems to work pretty well.

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Good job. 6.4 is a pretty good time. There are no official 0-60 specs for the automatic as far as I can tell, but I think that's a full 1 second faster than stock. It's tough to tell because the numbers are effected by a lot of variables. TFL got about 8.7 in their "very unofficial" 0-60 test, but that was in San Diego, I assume in higher temperatures, and with two people in the car. They had a stick shift, but it doesn't look like they were shifting very fast : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ3RkIzN8as




sticky surface and lower temps and you just might.



I don't think it will with the Dynamic map, but maybe. It's worth trying. Shifting at 6250 with that map seems to work pretty well.

Greg
Not the horsepower up there between 6250-6500 that would make a difference in the times but maybe it will hit 60 before it shifts again if I go to 6500. It will be real close. Missing that extra shift could make a big difference. We will see.
 

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Not the horsepower up there between 6250-6500 that would make a difference in the times but maybe it will hit 60 before it shifts again if I go to 6500. It will be real close. Missing that extra shift could make a big difference. We will see.
Hmm, good point. Let us know. I would check myself, but my car is running a different map.

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Not the horsepower up there between 6250-6500 that would make a difference in the times but maybe it will hit 60 before it shifts again if I go to 6500. It will be real close. Missing that extra shift could make a big difference. We will see.
I think that makes sense. I'll have to try that. I was surprised that you were able to hold her still at the rpms you were using at launch. I have trouble keeping the brakes locked at 2000 rpms. Also, I was concerned about putting too much stress on the torque converter. Thoughts? Answers?
 
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I think that makes sense. I'll have to try that. I was surprised that you were able to hold her still at the rpms you were using at launch. I have trouble keeping the brakes locked at 2000 rpms. Also, I was concerned about putting too much stress on the torque converter. Thoughts? Answers?
Torque converter should be fine....but I wouldn't make a habit of it.;)
 

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Lets ask Greg also what he thinks about the torque converter. Thy have done a lot of testing on this engine...what do you think Greg. How durable is this tranny...especially the torque converter?
 

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We haven't tested one all the way to destruction. However we think it's very durable, probably able to handle 2400rpm launches and any amount of power the stock turbo can throw at is.

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Why are people so obsessed with 0-60 times? They are car abuse and not a great real world measure of performance anyway. And the 124 is a sports car not a drag racer. If you want to drag race you bought the wrong car.
 

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Why are people so obsessed with 0-60 times? They are car abuse and not a great real world measure of performance anyway. And the 124 is a sports car not a drag racer. If you want to drag race you bought the wrong car.
I think obsessed is too strong a word. We are interested in all aspects of performance. Clearly if I was obsessed with 0-60 times, I wouldn't have bought a Fiat 124, or a Fiat 500L, or a Fiat 500 Abarth, or any of the other cars I own. This is just one aspect of performance, and it's the topic of this particular thread. :)

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I believe 0-60/62 is a real world measure of performance. That spec has been used for at least 50 years not only in the U.S. but around the world as a measure of performance. Porsche, Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, Chevrolet, Mopar, Ford and almost every other manufacturer go to the trouble to test and publish these times for a reason. Now that being said...it is not the only measure. You also have handling(suspension/chassis/brakes) of the car. They all fit together to define a performance automobile. You can have the best suspension in the world under a chassis but if it take 18 seconds to get to 60...that's not real world performance. And vice-versa.
 

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I believe 0-60/62 is a real world measure of performance. That spec has been used for at least 50 years not only in the U.S. but around the world as a measure of performance. Porsche, Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, Chevrolet, Mopar, Ford and almost every other manufacturer go to the trouble to test and publish these times for a reason. Now that being said...it is not the only measure. You also have handling(suspension/chassis/brakes) of the car. They all fit together to define a performance automobile. You can have the best suspension in the world under a chassis but if it take 18 seconds to get to 60...that's not real world performance. And vice-versa.
0-60/62 is a "generally accepted" measure, but it's not a good one or a "real world" one. 80-120kph (50-75mph) would be a much more "real world" measure and much less susceptible to "variables". I've owned cars like a Renaultsport Megane that struggle to launch cleanly and can only muster 6 secs 0-62 that can keep a Boxster S honest 50-75. That's "real world" performance.
 
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80-120kph (50-75mph) would be a much more "real world" measure and much less susceptible to "variables".
I must say this is where we find the Abarth is far superior to our previous (automatic) BRZ S which had a serious torque dip at around 4000 rpm.
 
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