Most likely from the wheel well plastic.Anyone know the definitively quickest way to access the Abarth fog bulbs?
Confirmed. Popping out the bottom 4 push clips at the front of the wheel well is sufficient enough to get in there. Thank god this car doesn't have the 500's side mount intercoolers.Most likely from the wheel well plastic.
Replaced my fogs with H11's.Now the important question.. is it a REAL H11 bulb, or actually an H16. I know the manual says 55 watt (which would make it an actual H11) but just want to see if anyone else has pulled their's before I order 4 H11's.
I am thinking the PIAA amber versions. The LED version would be nice but WOW, they are proud of those!!I don't know about the OP, but I was looking at replacing them with the Philips X-Treme Vision LED lamps, but some research indicates they are not as bright as regular H11 bulbs - but that might not be as important in fog lamps. I'm still looking at the amber/yellow version of those lamps, but I'm currently going to replace them with the same Philips X-Treme Vision halogen bulbs I have on order.
I was debating using the CrystalVision's, but I am not as concerned about the color as the longer visibility ranges.
I've never had good luck with any PIAA I've every paid that premium price for in my motorcycles, so I'm VERY leery of them in a vehicle now. Philips makes some of the better quality products and they are one of the leaders in the LED field. I'm just concerned that I've heard the "around 29% more light output than the H16 bulb"... which with the H16 only being a 19w bulb doesn't even get into the regular H11 55w level.I am thinking the PIAA amber versions. The LED version would be nice but WOW, they are proud of those!!
Understood, I have had the opposite experiences with PIAA on my motorcycles. But that could be anything really, bike type, terrain, bulb type.....etc etc... .I've never had good luck with any PIAA I've every paid that premium price for in my motorcycles, so I'm VERY leery of them in a vehicle now. Philips makes some of the better quality products and they are one of the leaders in the LED field. I'm just concerned that I've heard the "around 29% more light output than the H16 bulb"... which with the H16 only being a 19w bulb doesn't even get into the regular H11 55w level.
I'm still likely to get an amber pair just to try out. I may be happy with the bulbs I'm getting for my headlights and decide I want the difference in the colors for oncoming car visibility. I did pretty much the same thing with my old GoldWing and having amber LED shields on the driving lights did make a difference.
Yeah, that's what slayed me...they were being used in a GL1800, so they weren't getting "rough rode" for sure.Understood, I have had the opposite experiences with PIAA on my motorcycles. But that could be anything really, bike type, terrain, bulb type.....etc etc... .
Yep, the exact reason I'm contemplating it. It's only around $200 for the amber LED's and it's not like they do THAT great a job of additional lighting currently.I think yellow does help as well, and it has been documented. But honestly for me I am doing it for two additional reasons. 1. I like that it is now a little retro and I rarely see yellow fogs anymore. 2. Inline with number 1, I rarely see yellow, which to me is now a visibility advantage from the other side, getting noticed by other cars for safety. Not a bad thing in a small car. (and mine will be silver with the Heritage treatment, so pretty much urban camo..not good)
In fog lights the same issue that effects the headlight would hit the fogs. If the LED bulbs are not designed for use they could result in excess glare to oncoming traffic. That is one of the big killers of the retro-fit HID bulbs that get put into the halogen projectors - they were not designed for that and result in a poor cut-off pattern that blinds oncoming traffic. The newer LED bulbs are better about it, but from all my research they still don't have the "reach" that a good halogen or a HID (manufacturer equipped) has.Personally, I'd just swap them for White LEDs to match the headlights. No sense for a 2017 car to still be using halogens.
If anyone has a photo, I'd be interested in how white fog lights would look.
Stock fog bulb on my US Abarth is a Philips H11 LL 55W (China).Now the important question.. is it a REAL H11 bulb, or actually an H16. I know the manual says 55 watt (which would make it an actual H11) but just want to see if anyone else has pulled their's before I order 4 H11's.
Thanks.. I had already ended up pulling the fender covers and replacing the headlights and had checked the bulbs and confirmed that they are true H11's. Now I'm just going to wait until Philips develops some true H11 LED 55w equivalents and then put them in and run halogen's for now.Stock fog bulb on my US Abarth is a Philips H11 LL 55W (China).