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On the SportCat listing on the GWR website, it states they're able to meet 91db and 93db limits with the full GWR exhaust (no muffler) and sport cat WITH a resonator.
...looks like I may be needing a resonator
 

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On the SportCat listing on the GWR website, it states they're able to meet 91db and 93db limits with the full GWR exhaust (no muffler) and sport cat WITH a resonator.
...looks like I may be needing a resonator
I love the non resonator sound, but it sounds great with the resonator, and I have the SportCat. It is not obnoxious at all, and it sounds exotic.
 

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Do I have this new law, right? Let's say for the sake of this discussion. Let us say you are pulled over for having a too loud of a vehicle. Are they equipped with a DB meter or is it a judgment call? Oh, may I look in your trunk? If they do write you up. It is your responsibility to bring the proper documentation that your vehicle complies with the law as before. But let us say your vehicle already complied. It states that BAR does not issue any preemptive documentation. So you have to eat the cost of it being properly documented? The judge may dismiss the fine and court costs but you had to prove your innocence. The next time this happens you'll have a get out of jail card with your other papers.
 

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I could easily see a state agency similar to CARB coming into play here. If the exhaust isn't CARB-approved, it's illegal in the state, period, dot. Like there are plates or stickers on CARB-approved intake stuff, there could be something similar for an exhaust, although it probably would be easier to just stamp a serial number on it and document it on paper, which you can keep in the glovebox, along with registration, proof of insurance, birth certificate, passport, voter ID, Democratic Party membership card, and all the other crazy things Kalifornia is known for, lol...
 

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Can we leave the personal politics out of this thread except as it relates to this new law please.
 

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I'm in agreement with wooley here. Let's keep this on topic, and the topic is not politics. I realize I contributed some, but we're going down a path that will have people at each others' throats for no good reason. This is an automotive forum, let's keep it that way.
 

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To steer us back on topic, I get the fine concept, you get a ticket and pay the fine. What's this part about having to go get an inspection of some sort at a BAR location? I haven't been in CA for over 15 years, so someone educate me!
 

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This might be a dumb question, but I've never had any experience with this type of law. Does testing yourself with a meter make any difference? Even if if it isn't technically over the limit, wouldn't you still ultimately just be at the mercy of the officer, or are you able to fight it?

My favorite part about my time in Oklahoma was how little they cared about what was done to a car on the road. One time at a stop light in Tulsa a full blown big tire drag car pulled up next to me, I could barely hear my radio.

Edit: Just read an article a friend posted and see that you can get your car certified to get out of the fine.
 

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This might be a dumb question, but I've never had any experience with this type of law. Does testing yourself with a meter make any difference? Even if if it isn't technically over the limit, wouldn't you still ultimately just be at the mercy of the officer, or are you able to fight it?

My favorite part about my time in Oklahoma was how little they cared about what was done to a car on the road. One time at a stop light in Tulsa a full blown big tire drag car pulled up next to me, I could barely hear my radio.

Edit: Just read an article a friend posted and see that you can get your car certified to get out of the fine.
Can you please share the link?
 

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That's a pretty good article. Essentially, the only thing that's changed is that LEO's option to issue a fix-it ticket has been yanked and it's an automatic fine ($25 plus costs in the first instance according to the article). This can be contested by getting a certificate of compliance from BAR (although I'm going to guess most owners of modified cars wouldn't want to go anywhere near a BAR inspection station).

Couple of issues here - it seems this does leave the burden of proof is with the vehicle owner to show their car complies with the law rather than with LE to show it doesn't, although this law doesn't change anything in that regard. There's also the issue (mentioned earlier) of where does the money from the fines go and will that make this a favorite source of revenue generation for cash-strapped municipalities and LE agencies. That might mean that where you previously weren't worth the effort to pull over and issue a fix-it ticket, now there's an incentive...
 

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I just breezed through this and got the gist of most observations and opinions. I will chime in here with random thoughts and maybe some supposition;

1. Inasmuch as most CA officers don’t have, or have access to a decibel meter, historically it was a fix-it ticket but hard to defend in court in the absence of discernible dB level. That why street racers, motorcycles (especially cafe racers / H-D’s) went off the rails with highly modified, uncorked exhausts.

2. Not court approved for sure, but I have an iPhone and there is a decibel app that I have. I’m sure it would put one in the ballpark, but I would challenge a LEO to try and use it in court as evidence. What is the standard used to determine dB levels; RPMs, distance from exhaust, device used to determine dB, etc?

3. Having been born, raised and worked my entire adult life in CA, I have found CA wants to be the nations hall monitor (read: CA Prop. 65 warnings on everything produced or sold in this country.). MODS; I’m prepared to take a hit.

4. Out of state plated vehicles are not normally cited for a CA equipment infraction, unless the violation is obviously beyond the norm and maybe it might have been illegal in the state from where the vehicle came from; meaning in CO one can have tinted windows (no more than 27% light transmittance) but in CA tinted windows are illegal. Most local PDs and SDs won’t bother with something like that but CHP has been known to cite out of state vehicles for CA mechanical infractions.
 

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I just breezed through this and got the gist of most observations and opinions. I will chime in here with random thoughts and maybe some supposition;

1. Inasmuch as most CA officers don’t have, or have access to a decibel meter, historically it was a fix-it ticket but hard to defend in court in the absence of discernible dB level. That why street racers, motorcycles (especially cafe racers / H-D’s) went off the rails with highly modified, uncorked exhausts.

2. Not court approved for sure, but I have an iPhone and there is a decibel app that I have. I’m sure it would put one in the ballpark, but I would challenge a LEO to try and use it in court as evidence. What is the standard used to determine dB levels; RPMs, distance from exhaust, device used to determine dB, etc?

3. Having been born, raised and worked my entire adult life in CA, I have found CA wants to be the nations hall monitor (read: CA Prop. 65 warnings on everything produced or sold in this country.). MODS; I’m prepared to take a hit.

4. Out of state plated vehicles are not normally cited for a CA equipment infraction, unless the violation is obviously beyond the norm and maybe it might have been illegal in the state from where the vehicle came from; meaning in CO one can have tinted windows (no more than 27% light transmittance) but in CA tinted windows are illegal. Most local PDs and SDs won’t bother with something like that but CHP has been known to cite out of state vehicles for CA mechanical infractions.
No need to take a hit from the mods on that statement. It is a fact California itself is proud of and believes in. And a CI told me you know quite a bit about California law.

Having been around a few cops in my life, most are going to be unconcerned with your exhaust unless Mrs Cranky has complained about the loud cars in the neighborhood a dozen times and they have to do something about it. At least for a day. Best if you have a loud exhaust to be gentle in the neighborhoods. It's what I try to do. But when I'm inside the canyon walls I can't help myself.
 

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Go to YouTube and watch LethalGarage. There are now a view showing up about this subject.
Literally came on here to say the same thing. https://youtu.be/ZuFGefw_1s4

Around 8:50 is where he talks about how they test.
The thought of possibly being sent to a state ref makes me want to go stock.. intakes, intercooler, catch cans, diverter valves are all technically illegal in California I believe
 

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There in lies the rub. With a money grab by all the secondary fees. Help school Seth on the diverter value. I thought that it was just an upgrade of a stock part. All the other parts I understand are not CA. compliant. Although what makes the better inter cooler illegal?

I know the administrators don’t want things to get political here. But this is a politically driven law. So I’m asking for a little leeway here. As long as we don’t belittle a given party and only the government agenda to this law. Are we good?
 

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There in lies the rub. With a money grab by all the secondary fees. Help school Seth on the diverter value. I thought that it was just an upgrade of a stock part. All the other parts I understand are not CA. compliant. Although what makes the better inter cooler illegal?

I know the administrators don’t want things to get political here. But this is a politically driven law. So I’m asking for a little leeway here. As long as we don’t belittle a given party and only the government agenda to this law. Are we good?

The diverter valve literally has nothing to do with emissions or smog but just from hearing what state refs do, they get you for anything that is not "CARB approved" and not OEM. At least from what people have told me who have been sent to these places for other things, brakes and wheels were the only things they let go. ..assuming they aren't broken.
 

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After watching the YouTube clips by LethalGarage. The secondary fee on a $25 dollar fine becomes close to $800. That’s a lot . I can see why having any mods on your car and required to go to the B.A.R. Would make anyone want quite exhaust to prevent the visit.
 

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Exactly how good are BAR inspectors? Some things, like intakes are easy to spot, but would they really be able to identify a GFB DV+ or EC intercooler as aftermarket?
 
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