Classica -> Abarth
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This is a great question. The Classica with a rear exhaust change and some minor suspension upgrades will be about equal to an Abarth. In fact, I think it could be better because quite a few of the aftermarket parts are likely superior to the Abarth parts. For example, there are numerous anti-sway bar options on the market and although I haven't driven an Abarth 124 yet, I'll bet it has pretty small bars on it.
The Abarth has two things that won't be easily duplicated. One is limited slip diff. You could put one into a Classica, but I don't think many people will do that. The second is the "sport" button. That may become really useful in the future.
Greg
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Do you have any more details in terms of what the "sport button" does? Curious.
We don't yet know what it does in the 124. However based on our experience with the 500 Abarth we think it will allow us to run two very different tunes on the same ECU which is a really nice feature.
Greg
If the sport button just adjusts the ECU, shouldn't that be pretty easy to upgrade with a 3rd party ECU? I've seen one that can actually be remapped with an app over Bluetooth.
As far as the limited slip diff, when you say you don't think many people will do that, is that because you don't think the car would benefit, or because it would be really expensive to do?
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You will not be able to adjust mapping on either the regular 124 or the Abarth version without tuning directly through the ECU (whether ODBII flash or Clone ECU). The sport mode is a set of mapping already in the ECU that has been adjusted from the factory and given an input in the Abarth version, basically a way to turn it on.
The bluetooth map switching you have seen is not a remap of the ECU itself. It is an external device that alters boost signal received by the ECU only, and is changing settings. It does not have a way to change the mapping in the ECU.
We have done this previously on the 500 Abarth (think turning a 500T (rated 135-140bhp) into an Abarth (160bhp)) via flash tuning. You could feasibly take the sport mapping of the Abarth version, and put it into a Classica or Lusso, effectively making them the same in power and driving features).
There is a big difference between switchable ECU tunes and an external device with switchable parameters.
In the case of switchable tunes within the ECU as with the sport button we can run two totally different tunes and switch back and forth as often as we want and get instant changes. We can also change whatever parameters we want with this method, boost, timing, multi air action, and everything else.
While you can switch the parameters of various piggy backs, the car's ecu will need to readjust each time you do this, thus switching back and forth a lot isn't really practical. Also, the only parameter the current piggy backs can switch are boost levels.
Real world examples, We offer Euro+Drive Lite, which is a piggy back. With the self tuning option you could conceivably switch to multiple different tuning parameters ( about 60 of them ), but if you wanted to tone it down because your kid was going to drive the car, you would have to turn in down about a day in advance. Then when you wanted your full level of power back, you would have to plan about a day ahead.
With our ECU tune, meaning Euro+Drive we can do much more. For example, a very common option is for customers with a 500 Abarth to select our clone of the factory's hottest tune the 190hp 695 Tributo Ferrari tune in NON sport mode, and our hottest tune, Phase 2 with about 230+hp in Sport mode. They can switch back and forth all they want. A lot of people like the TF tune for normal driving, especially in winter weather or on wet roads when the Phase 2 tune results in a lot more wheel spin. Plus the driver can switch back and forth and doesn't need to wait for the car to adapt.
Greg
In the case of switchable tunes within the ECU as with the sport button we can run two totally different tunes and switch back and forth as often as we want and get instant changes. We can also change whatever parameters we want with this method, boost, timing, multi air action, and everything else.
While you can switch the parameters of various piggy backs, the car's ecu will need to readjust each time you do this, thus switching back and forth a lot isn't really practical. Also, the only parameter the current piggy backs can switch are boost levels.
Real world examples, We offer Euro+Drive Lite, which is a piggy back. With the self tuning option you could conceivably switch to multiple different tuning parameters ( about 60 of them ), but if you wanted to tone it down because your kid was going to drive the car, you would have to turn in down about a day in advance. Then when you wanted your full level of power back, you would have to plan about a day ahead.
With our ECU tune, meaning Euro+Drive we can do much more. For example, a very common option is for customers with a 500 Abarth to select our clone of the factory's hottest tune the 190hp 695 Tributo Ferrari tune in NON sport mode, and our hottest tune, Phase 2 with about 230+hp in Sport mode. They can switch back and forth all they want. A lot of people like the TF tune for normal driving, especially in winter weather or on wet roads when the Phase 2 tune results in a lot more wheel spin. Plus the driver can switch back and forth and doesn't need to wait for the car to adapt.
Greg
Depends, it could be a really long wait. The 2014 500 Abarth guys are still waiting. It takes a lot longer to get a flash tune developed.Oh so all I have to do is wait until you release the none Lite version of Euro+Drive for 124 spider, right?
Greg
Isn't the 124 ecu a little different than the 14 and 15 Abarth where it didnt have the same encryption as the more difficult ecus to crack? Also if we but the lite for the time being and the tune comes out with there be any kind of trade up program?
ps. I dont have any solid info on the ecu obviously so i'm just going off what i thought i read in some other thread so definitely correct me if im wrong haha
The 124 ECU is different, but I want to be very clear here. We have no idea how long it will take us to develop an ECU tune for this car. We are working on it, but that's true for the 2014+ 500 Abarths as well.
I doubt it. However the Euro+Drive light can easily be transferred to another vehicle so it should have good resale value, our products usually do.
Greg
Hey as long as yall are working on it then that makes me happy. With the lite version what happens if say I add a full turbo back, intake, fmic (if needed), and any other bolts on generally added to a turbo car? Will it adjust for that or will I want to hold off until an actual ECU tune is available? Sorry for all the noob questions I'm just used to the Cobb Accessports from my WRX and Sti days and even now on my BRZ theres Ecutek and solutions like that.
Euro+Drive Lite will adjust, that's not a problem. It can also be retuned for more boost if you add additional mods that will allow that, like a big intercooler.
No problem, ask all the questions you want.
Greg
From what I've seen a good LSD is ~$1400, plus installation, so you are looking at ~$2k.
Csaba, that's a good point. Plus, I don't think we know yet if it connects via the same U-joint, and then if it connects to the same driveshaft (I'll bet it does) so for now, we really don't know how much is going to be involved in the installation. Actually, I'll bet Good-Win knows, they have probably done this conversion in an ND MX5. In any case, it's going to cost some real money to do this.
Greg
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