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So the Fiesta RS could have 240 hp and 250 lb-ft of torque and the 2017 Spider will have 160 horsepower and 184 pound-feet of torque. The problem is, you're comparing a track car with a casual convertible. Can't really compare the specs that way but it's going to be down to what the people want the car for and the drive feel.
 

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Comparing to the Miata, BRZ and FR-S is more like it, and that's just about where it ends. I can only imagine a very small percentage of people into the 124 also consider a Fiesta RS, it will be rare.
 

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fiesta RS isn't happening... and even if it was, its not even close to the same experience as the 124... they're different tools.
 

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lightweight high powered vehicle for autocross - some of us consider all options. Soon after I close on my new house (June) I am buying. If a 124 Abarth looks worthy I will wait otherwise, have to look at the alternatives. Focus RS is an awesome example - can't get over the $40k for a Focus though and 99% of dealers want ADM. For $40k there are some fantastic used Porsches for sale....


Ford boasts they will create 10 new performance vehicles by 2020 - they have 5 including the new GT-40. So I will bet 70/30 a Fiesta RS does happen. But I do agree most would not cross shop a Fiesta and a 124.
 

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There will be a Fiesta RS because Ford will make lots of money on each one sold. However, for myself, 2700 lbs and front wheel drive doesn't handle the same as 2300 lbs and rear wheel drive. Plus the convertible. That's why I bought my MX-5 Miata rather than a Mazdaspeed 3. The Fiesta will be fun and fast, but very different from a Fiat 124 Spider. Buy what makes you happy.
 

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There will be a Fiesta RS because Ford will make lots of money on each one sold. However, for myself, 2700 lbs and front wheel drive doesn't handle the same as 2300 lbs and rear wheel drive. Plus the convertible. That's why I bought my MX-5 Miata rather than a Mazdaspeed 3. The Fiesta will be fun and fast, but very different from a Fiat 124 Spider. Buy what makes you happy.
Especially as a world market car since in Europe they should also see good sales volume.

Plus it's one more easier vehicle to get for those that want affordable performance.

Maybe we'll see Honda come out with a Fit Type R :D

 

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A Fit Type R could work but I wasn't expecting that. I thought they would do a CUV instead since those are so popular and other companies are comping out with performance versions of CUVs as well.
 

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I'm actually starting to think they can't make the case for it, but who knows, Honda might just do it for the sake of being nice to enthusiasts and not just focusing on the dollar. Would be great to see a Fit Type R come to market before a Fiesta RS (if that ever happens)
 

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The Fiesta ST is brilliant. They should do a Fiesta RS. But it shouldn't exactly follow the Focus RS route. Neither are a 124 rival though.
 
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There will be a Fiesta RS because Ford will make lots of money on each one sold. However, for myself, 2700 lbs and front wheel drive doesn't handle the same as 2300 lbs and rear wheel drive. Plus the convertible. That's why I bought my MX-5 Miata rather than a Mazdaspeed 3. The Fiesta will be fun and fast, but very different from a Fiat 124 Spider. Buy what makes you happy.
I realize it is a moot point, since there will not be a Fiesta RS for 2017, but wouldn't it be all-wheel-drive like the Focus RS? That could explain the extra weight.

I think it would be a lot of fun, but not a direct competitor to the Fiat 124.
 

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Hot hatches are a completely separate genre. Whatever became of the Mini Superleggera? Will Honda ever resurrect the S2000?
 

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The convertible feature of the 124 seems important to me, so I would expect cross-shoppers to look at the EcoBoost convertible Mustang if they are considering a Ford. The cheapest one at my local dealer is priced (with discount) the same as an Abarth 124 with MT & Lux package (MSRP) at $33,185. Of course pony cars and sporty roadsters have significant differences.
 

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Hot hatches are a completely separate genre. Whatever became of the Mini Superleggera? Will Honda ever resurrect the S2000?
I think that is the better question. That being said, don't think it'll happen anytime soon. Although it would be a good time for them to do it with the upcoming "Supra"
 

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FWIW a Fiat dealer was trying to talk me out of the 124 and get me into an Abarth 500, definitely not the same feel and I understand why the 500 sales are where they are now... I don't see anyone cross shopping a FWD hatch with a RWD roadster, if anything it will push them towards the RWD car...
 

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Not a chance. Looks like an oversized shoe horn to me.
 
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