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Rumor has it, Fiat wants to build a 124 Coupé and AutoCar thinks it may actually be under development. Illustrator Theophilus Chin, has created a rendering of what he thinks the 124 Coupé could look like and if the rumors are indeed true, we could be looking at a higher-performance 124 Spider.

The new coupé won’t be using the same retractable hard top as the Mazda MX-5 RF, instead it could feature a solid roof similar to the one found on the Fiat 124 Rally model that was on display at the Geneva Motor Show. Developing a blueprint for the coupé shouldn’t be too big of a challenge as the 124 Rally is basically a racing ready spider, what may be a problem is the logistics of producing such a vehicle.

Both the Fiat 124 Spider and Abarth 124 Spider are produced at the same Hiroshima plant where Mazda is cranking out the MX-5 Miata and MX-5 RF. None of these models come with a fixed roof so if Fiat wants to start manufacturing the 124 Coupé there, they’ll have to retool the plant’s assembly line.

Also in question is the 124 Coupé’s powertrain. Autocar thinks some markets will be happy with the UK spec model’s 138 brake horsepower, 1.4-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine. Others are hoping to see the 158 or 178 bhp versions of the same engine.

Maybe Auto Car’s sources are correct, but we won’t know until its rumored debut next year.
 

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It's interesting, I'm sure a lot of people will like it. It's not for me. I love my Spider.
 

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This 124 GT will have same metal RF as the mx5-rf. Same blind spot. Same 12sec to open/close? Same non cabrio looks and feel.
I fail to see pro's. Anybody?
 

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This 124 GT will have same metal RF as the mx5-rf. Same blind spot. Same 12sec to open/close? Same non cabrio looks and feel.
I fail to see pro's. Anybody?
Mazda have already said that they will not apply the RF roof to the 124. So that isn’t going to happen.

With respect to the RF roof, if you are after a convertible then the only advantage is greater security. The reason I bought an RF is because I always wanted an MX5 Coupe. I hardly ever drive it top down.
 

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Historically whenever Fiat has built a coupe version of a sports car they go with an entirely different body. This allows for small changes to the car's dimensions so they can have a backseat, or improved back seat, better trunk and so on. The coupe is almost never simply the Spider with a roof grafted on. I would like to see that tradition continue, I know Mazda is in the game here, so it may not happen, but a 124 with a roof it's what I am hoping for here.

Here are some examples of Fiat Spiders, a their coupe versions of the past:

Fiat 124 Spider and Coupe:





Fiat 850 Spider and Coupe:





Fiat Dino Spider and Coupe:





A real coupe is what I want, not just a 124 Spider with a hardtop. While there at it, if they could give me a 1600cc version of this engine, that would be icing on the cake.

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Almost bought a Fiat Dino YEARS ago when I lived in Monterey. Garage kept, flawless inside and out, 12k!

Kinda regret that now. I loved it then, now I really love it.

Now they are 150-200K! Oh well.
 

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Fiat 124 Coupe may join the Spider.

Historically whenever Fiat has built a coupe version of a sports car they go with an entirely different body. This allows for small changes to the car's dimensions so they can have a backseat, or improved back seat, better trunk and so on. The coupe is almost never simply the Spider with a roof grafted on. I would like to see that tradition continue, I know Mazda is in the game here, so it may not happen, but a 124 with a roof it's what I am hoping for here.

Here are some examples of Fiat Spiders, a their coupe versions of the past:

Fiat 124 Spider and Coupe:


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Greg: This picture reminds me of the 124 Spider I owned in 1969 and enjoyed hauling my kids in the jump seats behind the two front seats. Question: What happened to that space in the current 124s? Was the wheel base of the earlier 124 longer than the current model? Those jump seats were not large at all, but the kids could easily fit in them. Often wondered what happened to that former space. Any ideas?
 

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Greg: This picture reminds me of the 124 Spider I owned in 1969 and enjoyed hauling my kids in the jump seats behind the two front seats. Question: What happened to that space in the current 124s? Was the wheel base of the earlier 124 longer than the current model? Those jump seats were not large at all, but the kids could easily fit in them. Often wondered what happened to that former space. Any ideas?
Yes, I know exactly what happened. I am working on a 124 video that will explain it, but here is a brief summary.

In the 60's the British sports cars all had decent but not great suspensions. I am talking about the sports cars that competed with the original 124 Spider, like the MGB, Sprite, Triumph Spitfire and some others. However, they handled pretty well largely due to superior weight distribution compared to other cars of the day. The achieved this decent weight distribution by moving the engine back, way back, which then shoved everything else back including the driver. This didn't leave much if any room for a back seat.

Meanwhile, the Italians took a totally different approach. The primary Italian Sports cars, Fiat 124, Alfa Spider, Lancia Fulvia, all had their engines pretty far forward since all were based on sedan designs that prioritized space in the cabin. That basic design principle carried forward when they built sports car versions of these sedans like the 124 Spider. Thus they could move driver farther forward as compared with the British cars which left room for a little backseat and a decent trunk.

The Italian cars then made up for this tendency to be nose heavy by using better and more advanced suspensions. This worked really well, and generally speaking, an old time Fiat 124 will handle every bit as well if not better than it's British counterparts.

With these factors in mind, take a look at pictures of sports cars from the era. You will see that the driver of a 124 or Alfa Spider has his butt at or near the dead center of the wheelbase. Then look at a British car, the driver is seated well aft of that center.

Fast forward to the original Miata. They didn't base it on a sedan, and they based the body on a British car, so the general layout puts the engine and driver pretty far back, thus no back seat space. That design carried forward until the current generation. As the 124 shares a chassis with the Miata, and because there is no 124 sedan anymore, the new 124's engine is really far back, and so is the driver and so on.

In short, the original 124 had it's engine more or less centered over the front axle because it was really a sedan/wagon design with a Spider variant. The current 124 has nearly its entire engine aft of the front axle because it's chassis is designed specifically as a sports car.

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^^^^^^^^^
now thats a true enthusiast! Mahalo @Greg for the history in design of the Spider.

aloha mike
 

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If The Italians gave the 124spider a different look than the MX5, expect the Coupe to look different, It would be shameful to see a 124spider with a hard condom on its head and call it a Coupe.


Question, due to lack of time after they decided to bring the 124spider, the cheaper way and save time was to use the MX5 platform, But me thinks, now that the Alpha is out engineers have the time to come out with a Italian Coupe a 2+2(back seats for kids) and hot have hands tied due to Mazda
 

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If The Italians gave the 124spider a different look than the MX5, expect the Coupe to look different, It would be shameful to see a 124spider with a hard condom on its head and call it a Coupe.


Question, due to lack of time after they decided to bring the 124spider, the cheaper way and save time was to use the MX5 platform, But me thinks, now that the Alpha is out engineers have the time to come out with a Italian Coupe a 2+2(back seats for kids) and hot have hands tied due to Mazda
That coupe you speak of is likely to be an Alfa Romeo in the $65K range to compete with the Audi TT and the BMW Z4.

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Fiat 124 Coupe may join the Spider.

Yes, I know exactly what happened. I am working on a 124 video that will explain it, but here is a brief summary.
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Greg: Thanks so much for the detailed though clear explanation of what happened to that space behind to two front seats in the Classic Spiders. Fine business.

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