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Fiat 124 is already not produced anymore. This is what the Italian press announced in December. I know news are different in the USA, but here in Italy the only way you can find one is buying it second-hand at a dealership.

That being said, some components are actually more expensive. The soft-top for the MX5 costs here in Europe €1000 more than the equivalent part for the 124 Spider. Apparently the materials of the former are more expensive and better in terms of quality.
 

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It should be the opposite. Fiats have a less expensive top to contain production and repair costs. This is the reason why it costs 1000 Euros less. The windshield should be the same.
 

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“Should” does not mean something actually “is.” Part costs can be dependent on where each supplier is located, the positioning Mazda seeks to occupy in the local market relative to Fiat, etc.

There are several online reviews out there from the time Spider came out, making the point that Mazda focused on sportiness and weight savings; Fiat on refinement and comfort.

I test drove both Spider and Miata and found this to be true. Spider is noticeably quieter with the top up. Particularly at freeway speeds.
 

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Look, I just wanted to be polite, but I learned the hard way that imposing is the only style some people understand around here.

Parts are the same worldwide, across all Spiders, because the car is produced in the same factory in Hiroshima. The structure of the soft-top is the same of the Mazda, made of aluminium, just the outer shell is different. The one in the Fiat has a cover of inferior quality. As proof, I will tell you my personal experience, in November I had a serious accident with my 124, a three fell just when I was passing by and it destroyed the front bumper, headlights, windscreen and the soft-top. Of course my first thought when I took it at a repair shop was : Mazda's top surely costs less, they have sold more cars and there is a lot of stock. To my surprise it costed €1000 more, so €4000 against €3000 of the Fiat's.

The Spider is more quiet because of the nature of its engine, the power is in the middle so it tends to rev less to maintain a decent cruising speed. The difference in weight (50kg) lies with the engine, front and rear bumpers, intercooler, possibly the transmission. Surely not the soft-top, in this case the difference is maybe 1,5 or 2 kilos?
 

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"The Fiat 124 weighs in at 2,436 pounds, 104 more than the Miata. The car's extra length accounts for some of that weight, as do extra sound deadening materials, richer interior materials, and the turbocharger." --Motor Authority, June 20, 2016

"There aren’t many visible differences between the Italian and the Japanese inside; the 124 Spider has its own gauge faces, different door panels, some softer trim, and Fiat badges. Less obvious are the Fiat’s acoustic windshield, thicker rear glass, and the extra sound deadening under the carpet and along the firewall. Those things add up. Take both to the scales, and the 124 Spider is a hefty 193 pounds heavier than the Miata." --Car and Driver, August 12, 2016

"The 124 Spider also has thicker rear glass, an acoustic windshield and more sound deadening material. That extra material gives the 124 Spider a quieter interior than the MX-5 Miata, but at the expense of a few extra pounds to lug around." --Torque Report, February 14, 2019

"Fiat engineers added extra sound-deadening material to the 124 Spider, creating a more hushed interior at highway speeds. Thicker side glass and an acoustic windshield accompany the added insulation." --Kelley Blue Book, 2020 Fiat 124 Spider Review

"Next to the Miata, the 124 gets new seats, additional sound deadening, a thicker rear windshield, acoustic glass, some soft-touch trim, and a general retune. The car weighs a claimed 104 pounds more in base trim..." --Road & Track, June 20, 2016
 
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Found this excellent article on parts interchangeability between MX-5 and 124 Spider : Fiat 124 Spider to ND Miata Compatibility / Interchange Guide

Highlights:

Convertible Soft top: Direct Fit. All trim levels of the 124 Spider use the same soft top as the Grand Touring (GT) Miata, which has an extra inner liner for insulation and sound deadening. The Miata Sport and Club top will still fit a Fiat.

Windshield: The windshield on the Fiat is apparently thicker than the one on the Miata. We have yet to verify on our own if they are cross-compatible, but would be willing to guess that they are as long as the corresponding windshield seal is used as well.

Window Glass: Physically the same, but there would be a visible mismatched Mazda or Mopar logo if used on the on the other car.

The article lists a LOT more for anyone interested.
 

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"The Fiat 124 weighs in at 2,436 pounds, 104 more than the Miata. The car's extra length accounts for some of that weight, as do extra sound deadening materials, richer interior materials, and the turbocharger." --Motor Authority, June 20, 2016

"There aren’t many visible differences between the Italian and the Japanese inside; the 124 Spider has its own gauge faces, different door panels, some softer trim, and Fiat badges. Less obvious are the Fiat’s acoustic windshield, thicker rear glass, and the extra sound deadening under the carpet and along the firewall. Those things add up. Take both to the scales, and the 124 Spider is a hefty 193 pounds heavier than the Miata." --Car and Driver, August 12, 2016

"The 124 Spider also has thicker rear glass, an acoustic windshield and more sound deadening material. That extra material gives the 124 Spider a quieter interior than the MX-5 Miata, but at the expense of a few extra pounds to lug around." --Torque Report, February 14, 2019

"Fiat engineers added extra sound-deadening material to the 124 Spider, creating a more hushed interior at highway speeds. Thicker side glass and an acoustic windshield accompany the added insulation." --Kelley Blue Book, 2020 Fiat 124 Spider Review

"Next to the Miata, the 124 gets new seats, additional sound deadening, a thicker rear windshield, acoustic glass, some soft-touch trim, and a general retune. The car weighs a claimed 104 pounds more in base trim..." --Road & Track, June 20, 2016
If they are the same car, how can the 124s have extra material?

It is clearly fake news. They lured you into thinking it, probably the articles were sponsored by Fiat. Now I know for a fact that American motoring press is not reliable. These are the tech specs from Wikipedia :

Mazda Weight : 1058 or 1080 (man vs auto) kg

Fiat Weight : 1050 or 1070 (man vs auto) kg
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To double check the specs :

(FIAT 124 BROCHURE UK) : https://www.fiat.co.uk/content/dam/fiat/uk/brochure/124-Spider-brochure-September-2017.pdf
(MAZDA MX5 BROCHURE USA) : https://www.mazdausa.com/siteassets...-5-miata-st/2019_mazda_mx5_features_specs.pdf
 
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Found this excellent article on parts interchangeability between MX-5 and 124 Spider : Fiat 124 Spider to ND Miata Compatibility / Interchange Guide

Highlights:

Convertible Soft top: Direct Fit. All trim levels of the 124 Spider use the same soft top as the Grand Touring (GT) Miata, which has an extra inner liner for insulation and sound deadening. The Miata Sport and Club top will still fit a Fiat.

Windshield: The windshield on the Fiat is apparently thicker than the one on the Miata. We have yet to verify on our own if they are cross-compatible, but would be willing to guess that they are as long as the corresponding windshield seal is used as well.

Window Glass: Physically the same, but there would be a visible mismatched Mazda or Mopar logo if used on the on the other car.

The article lists a LOT more for anyone interested.
This source was already quoted and known, but it proves my point.

"use the same soft top as the Grand Touring (GT) Miata, which has an extra inner liner for insulation and sound deadening." The Mazda uses it, not the Fiat! So Mazda uses better quality materials, not the Fiat.

Just to use your same approach "The windshield is apparently thicker", the word 'apparently' is not usually used (pardon the pun) to underline a 100% sure fact. However, it might just be that it is thicker because the Fiat does not have any electrical de-icing / glass warming device at the bottom of the glass. Then again, as I showed in the tech spec table, the weight difference is minimal and a glass' weight is instead quite important, hardly just a few kilos.

"window glass" is physically the same. So? What is your point here?
 

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"The Fiat 124 weighs in at 2,436 pounds, 104 more than the Miata. The car's extra length accounts for some of that weight, as do extra sound deadening materials, richer interior materials, and the turbocharger." --Motor Authority, June 20, 2016

"There aren’t many visible differences between the Italian and the Japanese inside; the 124 Spider has its own gauge faces, different door panels, some softer trim, and Fiat badges. Less obvious are the Fiat’s acoustic windshield, thicker rear glass, and the extra sound deadening under the carpet and along the firewall. Those things add up. Take both to the scales, and the 124 Spider is a hefty 193 pounds heavier than the Miata." --Car and Driver, August 12, 2016

"The 124 Spider also has thicker rear glass, an acoustic windshield and more sound deadening material. That extra material gives the 124 Spider a quieter interior than the MX-5 Miata, but at the expense of a few extra pounds to lug around." --Torque Report, February 14, 2019

"Fiat engineers added extra sound-deadening material to the 124 Spider, creating a more hushed interior at highway speeds. Thicker side glass and an acoustic windshield accompany the added insulation." --Kelley Blue Book, 2020 Fiat 124 Spider Review

"Next to the Miata, the 124 gets new seats, additional sound deadening, a thicker rear windshield, acoustic glass, some soft-touch trim, and a general retune. The car weighs a claimed 104 pounds more in base trim..." --Road & Track, June 20, 2016
Nice real sources and not passion filled anecdotes. Thanks!
 
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If they are the same car, how can the 124s have extra material?

It is clearly fake news. They lured you into thinking it, probably the articles were sponsored by Fiat. Now I know for a fact that American motoring press is not reliable. These are the tech specs from Wikipedia :

Mazda Weight : 1058 or 1080 (man vs auto) kg

Fiat Weight : 1050 or 1070 (man vs auto) kg
View attachment 75022

To double check the specs :

(FIAT 124 BROCHURE UK) : https://www.fiat.co.uk/content/dam/fiat/uk/brochure/124-Spider-brochure-September-2017.pdf
(MAZDA MX5 BROCHURE USA) : https://www.mazdausa.com/siteassets...-5-miata-st/2019_mazda_mx5_features_specs.pdf
Ha ha ha, you consider wikipedia a real source.......lol funny guy.
 

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There is a source to official data under the Wikipedia image. And the facts do check.
 

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Hey guys - sorry about the level of intensity on this - I just want my top replaced in a timely manner by FCA under warranty. Checked today and the date has now been pushed to June, 10 months after I originally brought it in and they ordered it. I've also now got some kind of strange vibration in the back end - hoping that it doesn't need parts or the car may just sit there forever...
 

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Hey guys - sorry about the level of intensity on this - I just want my top replaced in a timely manner by FCA under warranty. Checked today and the date has now been pushed to June, 10 months after I originally brought it in and they ordered it. I've also now got some kind of strange vibration in the back end - hoping that it doesn't need parts or the car may just sit there forever...
Sounds like you are getting twitchy about your Spider....The roof replacement has to happen by law, as for the back end..not much to go on but probably a balance weights on wheel or something minor, check your wheel nuts are torque loaded properly, maybe jack rear and check for wear in suspension (plenty on youtube), or get your local mechanic/garage to have a look if you need them to. Safe than Sorry. Don't forget "most" mechanical/electrical components are shared with MAZDA MX 5, the 1.4 Multijet widely in use also so we are unlikely to go without spares and updates, specialist shops supply so much kit anyway, Cheers
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Sounds like you are getting twitchy about your Spider....The roof replacement has to happen by law, as for the back end..not much to go on but probably a balance weights on wheel or something minor, check your wheel nuts are torque loaded properly, maybe jack rear and check for wear in suspension (plenty on youtube), or get your local mechanic/garage to have a look if you need them to. Safe than Sorry. Don't forget "most" mechanical/electrical components are shared with MAZDA MX 5, the 1.4 Multijet widely in use also so we are unlikely to go without spares and updates, specialist shops supply so much kit anyway, Cheers
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I had a 2012 500 Sport for 8 years and finally traded to the 124 last March. The 500 was rock solid - never had a single problem with it in those 8 years. Only got rid of it because I was itching for a 124, but these issues definitely have me questioning if I made the right move...
 

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Look, I just wanted to be polite, but I learned the hard way that imposing is the only style some people understand around here.

Parts are the same worldwide, across all Spiders, because the car is produced in the same factory in Hiroshima. The structure of the soft-top is the same of the Mazda, made of aluminium, just the outer shell is different. The one in the Fiat has a cover of inferior quality. As proof, I will tell you my personal experience, in November I had a serious accident with my 124, a three fell just when I was passing by and it destroyed the front bumper, headlights, windscreen and the soft-top. Of course my first thought when I took it at a repair shop was : Mazda's top surely costs less, they have sold more cars and there is a lot of stock. To my surprise it costed €1000 more, so €4000 against €3000 of the Fiat's.

The Spider is more quiet because of the nature of its engine, the power is in the middle so it tends to rev less to maintain a decent cruising speed. The difference in weight (50kg) lies with the engine, front and rear bumpers, intercooler, possibly the transmission. Surely not the soft-top, in this case the difference is maybe 1,5 or 2 kilos?
"As proof, I will give you my personal anecdote."

Done with your attitude, to the ignore bucket with you.
 
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With FIAT, you have to understand what you are getting. I bought both of mine knowing what I was getting into. I knew I was going to get horrible service and parts availability from dealers and FIAT, respectively. I knew I was going to have a car whose reliability was below average. If you set realistic expectations for yourself, and are willing to go through all the BS of ownership, then you will never be disappointed. That's my philosophy. Over-maintaining our cars (and doing as much work on your car as possible yourself vs. incompetent dealers) and replacing known, unreliable parts (diverter valve, coil packs, etc.) can help improve the durability and reliability.
 

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I had a 2012 500 Sport for 8 years and finally traded to the 124 last March. The 500 was rock solid - never had a single problem with it in those 8 years. Only got rid of it because I was itching for a 124, but these issues definitely have me questioning if I made the right move...
Saw it, Read it, Understand it, however.....you have read the many "Very Positive postings and threads within this forum and most likely 21st Century 124 Spider site same as I have, The Professionals are here as Members only too willing to assist us, as we do each other. Issues occur with ALL cars, the Spider recalls as far as I am aware are NONE (other than auto gearbox). Built on the Mazda MX5 platform with most of it's mechanics and electrics makes it Pretty Reliable and the looks..."Outstanding", the engine "Small Engine of the year 2010" and the hood well put together..better than the Mazda unit they say, just some cases of rub to sort usually.
Don't lose faith too easily, get your Spider checked out and get back to enjoying it...Please !
 
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