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Every owners manual always has a few hard to believe comments in it. Ours is not alone. Here are two "warnings" from the manual that make you wonder what the engineers were thinking or is this just the lawyers covering the company butt?
Regarding the power windows, we have this gem. "Note: To prevent burning out the fuse and damaging the power window system, do not open or close both windows at once." Really? You designed a car where you have to tell your passenger "I'm going to open my window now, so please don't operate yours." LOL. And remember to lower at least one of your windows before releasing the top to open it. Otherwise, the car will automatically partially lower both windows "at the same time" to clear the roof.
Then there is this beauty. "Before opening the convertible top, make sure the Rear Window Defrost Button
is turned OFF. Otherwise, the heat generated from the defroster could damage the convertible top and the internal
material." Now admittedly, you are not likely to be dropping the top in weather where you have the rear window defogger on, but you might since humidity can fog the window easily too. And inadvertently pushing that button while the top is down is a real possibility.
I am sure there are more. Feel free to document them here as losing a power window motor or a top, is a pretty big deal. Any suggested hacks that might defeat these problems would be welcomed by everyone as well, I'm sure.
 

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Gee...do it all the time when I put the roof up.
 

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And remember to lower at least one of your windows before releasing the top to open it. Otherwise, the car will automatically partially lower both windows "at the same time" to clear the roof.

Then why when releasing the top, both windows lower partially. They're doing it at the same time. Contradicting.
 

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Here's another. "Do not raise or lower the convertible top when the temperature is below 41 °F (5 °C); this will damage the convertible top material."
Now we know why the guy had is top down in that picture included with the "it's always top down weather" It was too cold to put the top up.:)
 

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It does surprise me that there are no timers for the seat heat or rear window defogger, and it's dumb that if you leave the them on when you turn the car off that they don't default to off on next startup. One of my favorite manual references is for using the tire air pump in the event of a flat. Doesn't tell you where to find the power outlet, making you look all over the book to find it.
 

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For 4 months now, I have been raising and lowering the windows simultaneously. No problem, yet.

My '87 Alfa window motors really strain when I raise or lower them simultaneously, but they have never failed, after 30 years.
 

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For 4 months now, I have been raising and lowering the windows simultaneously. No problem, yet.

My '87 Alfa window motors really strain when I raise or lower them simultaneously, but they have never failed, after 30 years.
Like the OP said it's a cover your butt statement in the manual. The PC Police can be lucrative to those who are "Offended" in a court room. Hopefully, this will become less lucrative in 2017.
 

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My 124 has warnings on the floor mats. I think that says a lot about how far overboard they have gone with these warnings.

Greg

P.S. I have put both windows down at the same time on many occasions, so far so good....
 

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The Fiat manual has many shortcomings. I downloaded a Miata manual to fill in some of the blanks.
Of course you got my curiosity going and so I downloaded the MX-5 manual. Real different and more comprehensive but it still has the window and defroster warnings. The defroster ruining the top, I can believe and that really needs a fix. A top down switch interlocked to the defroster would seem necessary. The warning about operating both windows at the same time seems like a definite CYA. No reason not to design the wiring, fusing to handle both motors and why it would cause any harm to the motors makes no sense.
 

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Like the OP said it's a cover your butt statement in the manual. The PC Police can be lucrative to those who are "Offended" in a court room. Hopefully, this will become less lucrative in 2017.
As they say, "here, here" to that.
 

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There is already a switch - when you release the top, it retracts the windows.
Good point! Gotta wonder why they didn't use it to shut down the defroster?
 

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Here's another. This could cut down on your donut activity.
Note: Never hold the steering wheel to
the extreme left or right for more than
five seconds with the engine running.
This could damage the power steering
system.
 

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Here's another. This could cut down on your donut activity.
Note: Never hold the steering wheel to
the extreme left or right for more than
five seconds with the engine running.
This could damage the power steering
system.
Stelvio, I see it's a long boring winter, once you're through the English manual, I could suggest the French manual, then Italian by that time Spring will be around the corner:nerd::nerd:.>:)>:)>:)

I tell 4 months it's going to be long. I should be leaving south soon, back mid March so that should be a short winter.0:)
 

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No reason not to design the wiring, fusing to handle both motors and why it would cause any harm to the motors makes no sense.
While I concur, it's not out of the question that both motors operating with the engine off & a less than optimal battery could pull system voltage low enough to damage the motors.

Guessing that most folks not noticing issues are with the engine running and the system at alternator voltage instead of battery voltage.
 
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