OK, now I'm wondering if there's a way to hack the map in the Lusso to get the Sport mode? Or am I in dreamland here?
Sport mode
For any 124 Abarth owners I have a question. I just took out an Abarth for a test drive, it was alot of fun but as far the that sport toggle goes, I could not see any indication whether or not it was on.
Now I need to find one with recaro seats to see if its worth the extra money !
Now I need to find one with recaro seats to see if its worth the extra money !
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Not at all. If I get an ECU/DSG tune on my Golf that is basically what it does ( apart from the ESC recalibration). You're just paying for the privilege.OK, now I'm wondering if there's a way to hack the map in the Lusso to get the Sport mode? Or am I in dreamland here?
See this thread: http://www.124spider.org/forum/10-e...-euro-drive-lite-first-drive-impressions.htmlOK, now I'm wondering if there's a way to hack the map in the Lusso to get the Sport mode? Or am I in dreamland here?
Based on what I have seen so far in the ECU files (comparing the non-Abarth ECU to the Abarth ECU), they have simply placed the peak boost maps from sport mode on the Abarth into the non-sport or default area on the non-Abarth. The difference between the two is in the torque vectoring.
But to be honest, there's not much difference. The two files appear to be almost identical. My guess would be they are attributing gains from the exhaust change, nothing really in the ECU.
Something else, and call me crazy if I am totally imagining this, but if you turn the ESC fully off in the non-Abarth, it feels very very similar in driving performance to the way the Abarth feels in sport mode. Again, maybe my imagination.
One thing we did with the 500 Abarth, which I fully intend to do with the 124 Abarth, is to program a significant difference between the two modes (sport and non-sport) in economy and performance. The sport button can be used to essentially have two drastically different mappings, something they decided not to really do from the factory on the US version of this car. It's guaranteed that if you have a non-Abarth, a flash tune is going to make you much faster than any of the other Abarth versions.
The differences between the EURO cars is a different story though.
But to be honest, there's not much difference. The two files appear to be almost identical. My guess would be they are attributing gains from the exhaust change, nothing really in the ECU.
Something else, and call me crazy if I am totally imagining this, but if you turn the ESC fully off in the non-Abarth, it feels very very similar in driving performance to the way the Abarth feels in sport mode. Again, maybe my imagination.
One thing we did with the 500 Abarth, which I fully intend to do with the 124 Abarth, is to program a significant difference between the two modes (sport and non-sport) in economy and performance. The sport button can be used to essentially have two drastically different mappings, something they decided not to really do from the factory on the US version of this car. It's guaranteed that if you have a non-Abarth, a flash tune is going to make you much faster than any of the other Abarth versions.
The differences between the EURO cars is a different story though.
Will this eventually be a product we can buy for the Abarth?One thing we did with the 500 Abarth, which I fully intend to do with the 124 Abarth, is to program a significant difference between the two modes (sport and non-sport) in economy and performance. The sport button can be used to essentially have two drastically different mappings, something they decided not to really do from the factory on the US version of this car. It's guaranteed that if you have a non-Abarth, a flash tune is going to make you much faster than any of the other Abarth versions.
The differences between the EURO cars is a different story though.
Absolutely. We are in development and testing as we speak.Will this eventually be a product we can buy for the Abarth?
It will resemble something close to our system for the 500: https://shopeurocompulsion.net/coll...cts/euro-drive-tuning-system-abarth-fiat-500t
Multiple calibrations included with different features and options. We also have a dual map option utilizing the the sport button, raised rev limit, Catless and High Flow Cat CEL optimization, etc.
At the moment we are writing directly to the ECU to tune, but are working on setting this up for OBDII capabilities. I would prefer end user flashing with the handheld, but a tuned factory ECU (basically a cloned ECU) is also a possibility.
That's awesome! So if I'm reading this correctly it seems like you guys have made more progress on the 124 than on the newer 500 Abarths that are locked down due to the ECU correct?Absolutely. We are in development and testing as we speak.
It will resemble something close to our system for the 500: https://shopeurocompulsion.net/coll...cts/euro-drive-tuning-system-abarth-fiat-500t
Multiple calibrations included with different features and options. We also have a dual map option utilizing the the sport button, raised rev limit, Catless and High Flow Cat CEL optimization, etc.
At the moment we are writing directly to the ECU to tune, but are working on setting this up for OBDII capabilities. I would prefer end user flashing with the handheld, but a tuned factory ECU (basically a cloned ECU) is also a possibility.
But can it be reversed for warranty? Similar to uninstalling / unplugging your module?Absolutely. We are in development and testing as we speak.
It will resemble something close to our system for the 500: https://shopeurocompulsion.net/coll...cts/euro-drive-tuning-system-abarth-fiat-500t
Multiple calibrations included with different features and options. We also have a dual map option utilizing the the sport button, raised rev limit, Catless and High Flow Cat CEL optimization, etc.
At the moment we are writing directly to the ECU to tune, but are working on setting this up for OBDII capabilities. I would prefer end user flashing with the handheld, but a tuned factory ECU (basically a cloned ECU) is also a possibility.
Just waiting for this option to come out.
Yes, though the ECUs and the surrounding systems appear to be very similar, fortunately they're also very different in a few ways.That's awesome! So if I'm reading this correctly it seems like you guys have made more progress on the 124 than on the newer 500 Abarths that are locked down due to the ECU correct?
Yes, with the handheld device you will always have a stock file on hand that was originally from your vehicle. It can be flashed back to stock at anytime.But can it be reversed for warranty? Similar to uninstalling / unplugging your module?
With a second cloned ECU, they only have to be swapped out.
I'll take a cloned ECU...>Yes, with the handheld device you will always have a stock file on hand that was originally from your vehicle. It can be flashed back to stock at anytime.
With a second cloned ECU, they only have to be swapped out.
Updates to the info in this thread, since it has been a while?
I've noticed a drop in RPM at the same speed when changing out of Sport mode into normal mode several times.
My Abarth does have the auto transmission.
My Abarth does have the auto transmission.
I notice more torque when engaging the sports mode. I usually let the car warm up a little to temperature before engaging the sports mode. To get out of the estate that I'm in, I usually drive around for a minute or two, and when the temperature light goes off - I hit the sports mode. There's a noticeable push from the engineI've noticed a drop in RPM at the same speed when changing out of Sport mode into normal mode several times.
My Abarth does have the auto transmission.
Normal. It's up shifting when you drop out of sport mode. My Hemis do this, too.I've noticed a drop in RPM at the same speed when changing out of Sport mode into normal mode several times.
My Abarth does have the auto transmission.
I'd like some way to have the car default to SPORT mode and have to pull the switch back to get to "normal"...
From what I understand, the Eurocompulsion Euro+Drive Phase 1 download will make the non-sport mode 'equivalent' with some minor tuning to the Sport mode, with Sport mode now as the full Phase 1 performance tune.I'd like some way to have the car default to SPORT mode and have to pull the switch back to get to "normal"...
Honestly, I've not seen any benefit of non-sport mode.
I've played with the sport mode button, several times, while driving. It definitely changes the mapping of the accelerator.
You can even do this while driving. Hold steady pressure on the gas pedal, and switch into sport mode. You will feel the car accelerate. If you are in sport mode and hold steady pressure on the pedal and then go out of sport mode, you will feel the car decelerate. It is subtle, but DEFINITELY there. I'm about as "insensitive" a dope that is driving this car. I don't feel a change in steering, torque, etc....I'm not sensitive (or skilled) enough to notice it. But I definitely feel the changes from sport mode and non sport mode to accelerator pedal sensitivity.
Sometimes I like to drive in sport mode, around town, so that I don't stall the car so friggin' much, especially if my very helpful hill assist comes on.....typically in unwanted situations.....
You can even do this while driving. Hold steady pressure on the gas pedal, and switch into sport mode. You will feel the car accelerate. If you are in sport mode and hold steady pressure on the pedal and then go out of sport mode, you will feel the car decelerate. It is subtle, but DEFINITELY there. I'm about as "insensitive" a dope that is driving this car. I don't feel a change in steering, torque, etc....I'm not sensitive (or skilled) enough to notice it. But I definitely feel the changes from sport mode and non sport mode to accelerator pedal sensitivity.
Sometimes I like to drive in sport mode, around town, so that I don't stall the car so friggin' much, especially if my very helpful hill assist comes on.....typically in unwanted situations.....
I finally found a use for non sport mode. When cruising on the highway for long distances at sustained speeds. It lowers the noise level of my exhaust and makes maintaining speed more progressive. That is about it. I set it once I start the car and leave it on 99% of the time.
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