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With only one 500 model being sold for 2021, it doesn't seem unreasonable that FCA may simply drop the Fiat brand in North America in 2022 or 3. Which possibly means spares difficulties if FCA retains the right to distribute Fiat-specific spares and they won't be available from Mazda.

So... what Spider-specific spares to stock up one before FAC pulls out of NA?

I'm thinking of easily damaged stuff like lights and outside trim, parts that wear fast or fall off, parts that are a little unreliable now, and parts that simply take the car off the road if they die (ECU etc)...
 

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Interesting Thread.......The Motor Manufacturers have to abide by production laws as far as I understand, one what scale as opposed to size of company for production and storage / distribution of spares I have no idea and I have also heard rumours that Fiat manufactured very few spares for the 124 Spider... So, chances are that that last bit of info is B*ll*cks if the first part is correct, which then leads you onto..... How has any Vintage / Veteran vehicle ever survived....
Garages / Traders / Specialists buy up or re manufacture / store parts depending on demand and individual scrap merchants (Breakers yard) Owners may look like Big, Hairy Bikers who chuck heavy,oily parts about but actually they are well organised for the most part and have a system working, they know "The Value/Rarity" of each individual part and "never" just destroy stuff without assessing it's potential for profit. The obvious stuff like body parts are now turning up on ebay "NEW" like fronts, rears....the doors, bonnets (hoods / Boot lids (trunks) are coming from wrecks whilst "Mopar".if you can afford their prices, source supply parts with a higher profit margin.
Unless you do own a spare workshop / shed and have a ton of money that you can invest in possibly never making a return on because you look after your Spider and, unless unlucky (road accident) will never have need of these parts, then it's the usual bits that throughout motoring history you will require replacements of over time and depending on use...pumps, filters, alternator, a few suspension parts maybe. Your engine, gearbox, diff assembly in time and as it wears will be (as all old collectors cars), removed, rebuilt at a garage / shop and refitted as new with replacement / remanufactured parts within. So, having been down this route(more than once) and eventually sold that old car that I was going to keep for ever...."with all those stored spares included", I would (and now do) store the OEM parts removed for "Modding", keep a few oil filters (air if not using specials) pick up the odd pump /alternator that passes my way cheaply and just enjoy owning, servicing and driving the best small modern reliable Sports car known to man "and woman".
We Did Good investing in the 124 Spider....Cheers
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I agree with the chap above, I imagine a lot of the consumables like Brake pads, discs, Multiair filters, oil filters, air filters, coils, plugs will be around for a long time to come and if there is a gap it's likely to be filled by the aftermarket / niche workshops.

One thing that has cropped up on both of my spiders (2018 UK Abarth & 2016 UK Lusso+) is that the ABS sensors (Wheel speed sensors) have developed faults on both cars. The Abarth to the point where the TC and ABS have disabled themselves with a MIL on the dash. The Abarth has had that intermittently but seems permanent now. Screenie of the code scanner shows that there is a full short to ground on the sensor so I need to trace the wiring back all the way and see if anything is properly broken. I wouldn't have mentioned it if this had only happened to one of my cars or after a longer time on the road. The Abarth sees some track time but the Lusso has yet to be put through it's paces. This issue worries me...

Abarth codes:
81871


The Lusso+ has not developed faults to the point that the TC & ABS disable themselves but see the screenshot below of my code reader showing that there are signal issues with multiple sensors
Lusso codes:
81870


Sourcing these sensors anywhere but from breaker cars is proving difficult. Mainly because the dealers outright refuse to just sell me a part to fit myself. If I want it replaced it has to be fitted by them. I'm sure this behaviour is against some law or trading standard in my country, nonetheless it doesn't stop them spouting BS to me over the phone. Your mileage may vary with dealer behaviour in your country / area. I'm going to try and find an entire 4 corner set of spares for any future faults. Salvage yards near have them going for between £50-£100 a corner.

Part no.s for anyone interested:

Front Left (UK Passenger Side): N243-43-73XB / N243-43-73X
Front Right (UK Driver Side): N243-43-70XB / N243-43-70X
Rear Left : N243-43-72YB / N243-43-72Y
Rear Right : N243-43-71YB / N243-43-71Y

As far as I understand the sensors that live inside the wheel hub are identical for all corners and brembo/non-brembo models. The difference in part numbers I believe is to account for the different length wires and placement of the retaining clips. I'm not sure why there is a "B" at the end of the part numbers. I'm guessing it's something to do with the Brembo brakes. Might be able to clear this up when I get the cars jacked up to have a look.
 

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Sure would, same part numbers I believe. You thinking I should try the Mazda dealers instead? Could be a decent idea
Check for sure. I've gotten a few parts from Mazda. Generally in stock, and often considerably less than the Fiat price.

Just checked. Looks like about $100US per corner over here.
 
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With only one 500 model being sold for 2021, it doesn't seem unreasonable that FCA may simply drop the Fiat brand in North America in 2022 or 3. Which possibly means spares difficulties if FCA retains the right to distribute Fiat-specific spares and they won't be available from Mazda.

So... what Spider-specific spares to stock up one before FAC pulls out of NA?

I'm thinking of easily damaged stuff like lights and outside trim, parts that wear fast or fall off, parts that are a little unreliable now, and parts that simply take the car off the road if they die (ECU etc)...
Fiat has just launched an all new Electric 500 and is keeping producing the petrol models in both Fiat and Abarth branded offerings. Fiat will never leave the US because it owns Jeep, which makes them a lot of profit. Expect to see the Electric 500 in the US some time. The European one is being made in Turin, not Poland, and the US 500 was made in Mexico.... Someone in the New mega Company Stellantis will want you to spend more of your money on their brands, they have 14 of them.
Ref the Spider, not much breaks or falls off, but I think body parts will become the first scarce items but not for a while. There are interchangeable parts with MX 5, but I don't think stock piling will make much sense.... I do have 4 genuine oil filters in the garage mind!
 

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Fiat has just launched an all new Electric 500 and is keeping producing the petrol models in both Fiat and Abarth branded offerings. Fiat will never leave the US because it owns Jeep, which makes them a lot of profit. Expect to see the Electric 500 in the US some time. The European one is being made in Turin, not Poland, and the US 500 was made in Mexico.... Someone in the New mega Company Stellantis will want you to spend more of your money on their brands, they have 14 of them.
Ref the Spider, not much breaks or falls off, but I think body parts will become the first scarce items but not for a while. There are interchangeable parts with MX 5, but I don't think stock piling will make much sense.... I do have 4 genuine oil filters in the garage mind!
And Me.....job lot, genuine on offer, but not from Fiat of course..........The bit above about buying stuff from Fiat....only just reported that one in a "Spark Plug" thread....Tried to buy from Dealership as on sale nowhere else in uk, they refused unless they fitted them "Spark Plugs " ? Contacted Fiat UK...explaining situation....the reply was, "Have you contacted your local dealer, who will be able to supply and fit......Got mine from USA !
 

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Best I can tell you have 3 categories of parts.

  • Mazda Miata Parts
  • 1.4L Multiair Turbo Engine Parts
  • Fiat 124 Spider Specific Parts

I'm only concerned about the last one, maybe slightly uneasy about the second but they did make a lot of them. So That probably means body panels, trim, badges, headlights, stuff like that.

Maybe the transmission (I have a manual) being slightly different from the NC could be a problem but not sure and I bet ours could be rebuilt with NC internals if it came to it.

Not sure about the ECU. Is the ECU itself unique to the 124 or just the programming?
 

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One I'm looking for is another OEM Abarth Alcantara arm rest with the scorpion on it. I have one that I ordered from a Japanese company many have used here, but it's definitely a wear-item.

I think the one I have will last a while, but will eventually need replacing. I'd really like to buy two more of them at this point just because. It is the only Abarth-specific Alcantara piece - the rest of them you can just buy Mazda parts.

I would be interested in finding another set of the LED headlights from a wrecked 124 as I'm sure those will be a bit difficult. Abarth front and rear bumpers probably aren't a bad idea either.

The hood, trunk and doors are shared across the models so I think we should be good there.
 

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I dont know who's website this is, but I'm impressed how much info he's collected on our 124 Spider's.

A lot of part numbers on here... 21st Century 124 Spider ~ Complete Specifications & Tidbits

124 Spider and Miata compatibility guide (its quite interesting)... https://www.redlineautoparts.com/blog/fiat-124-spider-to-nd-miata-compatibility-interchange-guide/
From what I have gathered here the website owners are a business who also own many other websites (look on right when you sign in, they normally list some there), so I doubt they actually compile all our input, the "Super Moderators" on the other hand don't just act as referees, slap members hands and Ban the really naughty ones, oh no...."Their a How To" section as well as the Moderators letting the threads flow but stepping in to correct poor statements / bad advice, so the site is actually self run with the "Premium" Members (paying good will money) and the Traders (I would think) paying the owners fees to star here with their ads......Cheers
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21st Century stuff is by @ameridan on here, a truly excellent resource

Redlineautoparts sell used parts, simple
 
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I am not certain if this is still true, I cannot imagine why it would have changed, but it was always my understanding that under US law whenever any manufacturer stopped production of any given model or ceased marketing a vehicle or even a brand of vehicles they still had to maintain parts availability for those discontinued vehicles and/or brand for up to seven years following the discontinuance of the vehicle itself. It was always, again my understanding, that even if the manufacturer did not themselves provide for the availability of replacement parts they are required under law to ensure that parts are available through an affiliated supplier or 3rd party. I believe you will also find that any manufacturer that discontinues any vehicle is still responsible for any outstanding remaining warranty periods and/or possible warranty claims as originally offered.
Since it is not very likely that Stellantis will pulling up stakes and removing itself from the auto industry, since this it what it does, any time soon it does appear that although future parts and service for 124 Spiders, be they Fiat or Abarth, may get a bit iffy in some cases and/or locations they won't disappear. Interesting to note that on the Stellantis global website they list both ABARTH and FIAT as 2 of the 16 corporate brands.
 

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Record Monza exhausts 🤣 In all seriousness, I reckon the 124 specific bits of concern would be exterior panels and lighting fixtures. I think multi-air engine wise we have the volume in our favor and the rest of the oily bits are mazda share items. That is my take on it anyways.
 

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I am not certain if this is still true, I cannot imagine why it would have changed, but it was always my understanding that under US law whenever any manufacturer stopped production of any given model or ceased marketing a vehicle or even a brand of vehicles they still had to maintain parts availability for those discontinued vehicles and/or brand for up to seven years following the discontinuance of the vehicle itself. It was always, again my understanding, that even if the manufacturer did not themselves provide for the availability of replacement parts they are required under law to ensure that parts are available through an affiliated supplier or 3rd party. I believe you will also find that any manufacturer that discontinues any vehicle is still responsible for any outstanding remaining warranty periods and/or possible warranty claims as originally offered.
Since it is not very likely that Stellantis will pulling up stakes and removing itself from the auto industry, since this it what it does, any time soon it does appear that although future parts and service for 124 Spiders, be they Fiat or Abarth, may get a bit iffy in some cases and/or locations they won't disappear. Interesting to note that on the Stellantis global website they list both ABARTH and FIAT as 2 of the 16 corporate brands.
Ref the brands…. everywhere outside the NA market Abarth is a separate brand from FIAT. Thats why there are no fiat logos on the Abarth models. 500s or 124spider. (Ex 2017 and early 2018 models however this was changed in later in production )
 

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I agree with the chap above, I imagine a lot of the consumables like Brake pads, discs, Multiair filters, oil filters, air filters, coils, plugs will be around for a long time to come and if there is a gap it's likely to be filled by the aftermarket / niche workshops.

One thing that has cropped up on both of my spiders (2018 UK Abarth & 2016 UK Lusso+) is that the ABS sensors (Wheel speed sensors) have developed faults on both cars. The Abarth to the point where the TC and ABS have disabled themselves with a MIL on the dash. The Abarth has had that intermittently but seems permanent now. Screenie of the code scanner shows that there is a full short to ground on the sensor so I need to trace the wiring back all the way and see if anything is properly broken. I wouldn't have mentioned it if this had only happened to one of my cars or after a longer time on the road. The Abarth sees some track time but the Lusso has yet to be put through it's paces. This issue worries me...

Abarth codes:
View attachment 81871

The Lusso+ has not developed faults to the point that the TC & ABS disable themselves but see the screenshot below of my code reader showing that there are signal issues with multiple sensors
Lusso codes:
View attachment 81870

Sourcing these sensors anywhere but from breaker cars is proving difficult. Mainly because the dealers outright refuse to just sell me a part to fit myself. If I want it replaced it has to be fitted by them. I'm sure this behaviour is against some law or trading standard in my country, nonetheless it doesn't stop them spouting BS to me over the phone. Your mileage may vary with dealer behaviour in your country / area. I'm going to try and find an entire 4 corner set of spares for any future faults. Salvage yards near have them going for between £50-£100 a corner.

Part no.s for anyone interested:

Front Left (UK Passenger Side): N243-43-73XB / N243-43-73X
Front Right (UK Driver Side): N243-43-70XB / N243-43-70X
Rear Left : N243-43-72YB / N243-43-72Y
Rear Right : N243-43-71YB / N243-43-71Y

As far as I understand the sensors that live inside the wheel hub are identical for all corners and brembo/non-brembo models. The difference in part numbers I believe is to account for the different length wires and placement of the retaining clips. I'm not sure why there is a "B" at the end of the part numbers. I'm guessing it's something to do with the Brembo brakes. Might be able to clear this up when I get the cars jacked up to have a look.
I'm actually having this issue with my Abarth right now, which scanner are you using to read the codes?
 

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I'm actually having this issue with my Abarth right now, which scanner are you using to read the codes?
I am using an Autel MK808, but I should mention it doesn't properly support the Abarth for some reason. It scans my Lusso+ just fine using the listed FIAT - Spider profile. But that profile categorically refuses to work for my Abarth. After I some tinkering I figured out I could use one of the Mazda MX5 diagnostic profiles which seems to do a good job at scanning most of the ECU modules on the Abarth. I might do a separate thread to show the peculiarities of using this scanner between the two trim levels
 

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I am using an Autel MK808, but I should mention it doesn't properly support the Abarth for some reason. It scans my Lusso+ just fine using the listed FIAT - Spider profile. But that profile categorically refuses to work for my Abarth. After I some tinkering I figured out I could use one of the Mazda MX5 diagnostic profiles which seems to do a good job at scanning most of the ECU modules on the Abarth. I might do a separate thread to show the peculiarities of using this scanner between the two trim levels
Thanks, I tried the iCarsoft CR Pro and that didn't work with my car at all, so I was looking at this as my next option. If it can scan the ABS codes for the Abarth, that's all I need, even if I have to use the Mazda profile. With the CR Pro, even the Mazda profile wasn't working for me lol.
 
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