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Has that engine been used in a longitudinal configuration?
Not to my knowledge. But the R & D to retrofit would be worth it if it actually leads to increased sales and causes the FIAT portion of FCA to generate profits. Pipe dream I'm sure, so I'm not going to hold my breath. If you look in my avatar pic, my bike is a 2017 Versys 1000LT. For 2019, Kawasaki developed an all new 1,043cc engine for it, plus added lots of other wonderful gadgets and upped the price from $13,000 USD to $18,000 USD. A $5,000 jump in price. It's the manufacturers that take the risks who reap the rewards.
 

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I am still convinced, just like the OP, that the 1.4 needs a refresh (but not necessarily on this car), particularly because I find it quite 'empty' in the low end, whereas more modern turbo engines already manage to do better.

The said, producing more power is not actually very easy on the 1.4 Turbo, and the difference between the stock Fiat and the Abarth is actually just the ECU map and the Record Monza exhaust. Nothing else. The only other significant difference would be the lsd, but it does not affect the power itself, rather the delivery of it.

Adapting the power of the Fiat to the one of the Abarth it is really just a matter of remapping the ECU and maybe adding a less constricted exhaust. The two engines are the same. Same components, same turbo, same intercooler, same clutch, same gearbox. And the stock engine is built to withstand power up to 200hp without upgrading any of the components, except the exhaust - which is known to be quite 'closed' in modern cars.

Honestly I still fail to understand the American tuning tradition, which has a fixation for bigger components, bigger turbo, bigger intercooler, modified air-intake and so on and so forth, when instead the stock parts nowadays have such a great tolerance.

Here in Italy (yes we are good, but not always the best) we have tuners successfully and safely extracting around 220hp from this engine with just the full exhaust and a remap, with everything else stock. Of course this type of 'build' would be for street use only. I, myself, would surely add a bigger intercooler if I had to go around the track.

Of course the choice is always yours, and if you think that having upgraded components it is better then so be it, but why spending generous amounts of money when you can achieve similar results with standard components?
Well, I personally find the difference between a manual Spider and an automatic Spider to be the main issue of people complaining about the lack of power in the lower rpms. My Spider only has the 140 hp EU engine (Lusso) but coupled to the 6 speed automatic. It is no problem to pull away from a manual 165 hp MX5 from standstill. And I have yet to worry about the lack of power in the lower rev range. As I test drove a 140 hp Lusso manual before I ordered mine (originally a manual too) I was always struggling to get the revs in such a matter, that I would pull away in an easy non-jolt way, as I can with basically any other car. Before someone says: my license was done on a manual, I drive manuals on a daily base (be it diesel or petrol, VW, Fiat, Ford, turbo or nonturbo or what not) and have no problem pulling away. Just the Spider was a fiddle... And I think I know why now: the torque convertor.

So I personally, being an automatic owner, see no reason why more power is needed in the lower rev range... But then if I bring my manual test drives (one for 2h, one for 4 days!) into mind again, then I would prefer a tad more power in the lower rev range... But I still don't miss it :D
 

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The new 1.3L turbo would be a no-brainier in our cars. 177hp and 210 tq. If they marketed the change, people would go crazy and sales would jump up. FIAT just doesn't care to do anything in the US since their sales are hurting so much. If only they marketed FIAT in the US (remember the Charlie Sheen Abarth commercials!). FCA loses money on FIAT sales, but makes up for it with JEEP sales. They seem to be content with that unfortunately.
That it is absolutely spot on. FCA loses money on Fiat sales and instead makes profit from Jeep.
 

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Probably more money from Ram, but who's counting? Margins and volume are where it's at. Achieving both simultaneously is ideal.
I do not have the precise numbers, so I would not know which brands weighs the most and I know very little of the brands which are not sold here in Europe, sadly.
 

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Not close. Monza is nearby Milan, I live in Rome. 360 Miles give or take. :(
Shame about "Monza"....We were all coming to stay with you for the F1 GP !:oops:
 

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Shame about "Monza"....We were all coming to stay with you for the F1 GP !:oops:
If you are willing to come, I will take my 124 and meet you there. ;)

While I would enjoy visiting Rome, that wasn't my intent when sharing this information.
  1. Ram and Jeep are sold in Italy.
  2. There are opportunities to learn about them.
Jeep is massively spread in Italy, my mom drives a Renegade (with the 1.3T we have talked about), I have rented a Grand Cherokee last summer and loved it. Wranglers are a common sight, as it is the Compass.

You see Ram vehicles from time to time but they are not common at all. This is due to the fact that pick-ups are not appreciated here as they are in the US and also because the engine size, power and fuel consumption are too high for us. We pay insurance based on the engine displacement and the road tax based on how powerful a vehicle is, with a penalty of +20€ per kw over 185 kw. So for a RAM like the ones you linked, you would pay the regular tax for a vehicle with a power of 295 kw, then a penalty of 20€ for every kw from 185 to 295. The result is, for a road-tax in Rome (it is one of the highest in Italy), €3314 for that 'MY2019 Crew Cab 4x4 5.7 V8 HEMI'. It is a lot, if you think that the average Italian salary is €1600 per month.
 

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Jeep is massively spread in Italy, my mom drives a Renegade (with the 1.3T we have talked about), I have rented a Grand Cherokee last summer and loved it. Wranglers are a common sight, as it is the Compass.

You see Ram vehicles from time to time but they are not common at all. This is due to the fact that pick-ups are not appreciated here as they are in the US and also because the engine size, power and fuel consumption are too high for us. We pay insurance based on the engine displacement and the road tax based on how powerful a vehicle is.
Similarly/Conversely, the Fiat 500 was a dud in the U.S. market.

One of the first things I noticed when I visited the Museo Storico Alfa Romeo:
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Absolutely and I do not think they are bad at all. Just I do not see the point of dragging this 'argument' about the production further.

If at all costs someone wants to believe that the Hiroshima factory is still producing 124 spiders and this is supported also by some magazines which are questioning what is happening even in Italy, then fine, we live in free countries. That being said, honestly, spending time in debating if it is so or not, it seems pointless to me.
Pointless is my middle name, so I'm going to press a bit further. Does anyone here have access to vehicle information? VIN JC1NFAEKXL0144063 was built in February and is headed to a Michigan dealer. If true this reinforces the odds that my spider has not yet been assembled.
 

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Pointless is my middle name, so I'm going to press a bit further. Does anyone here have access to vehicle information? VIN JC1NFAEKXL0144063 was built in February and is headed to a Michigan dealer. If true this reinforces the odds that my spider has not yet been assembled.
Just checked on "Vin-Info" site.....It registers there as a vehicle, shows the FIAT badge and has two lists showing Make, Version, Doors, Class, Model year, Engine config, Engine version, Kilowatts then second list to right Model, Body style, Seats, Vehicle type, Plant, Engine type, Cylinders, Displacing CID, Horsepower, Fuel .
The Make has Fiat written alongside, Doors 2, Class Sub Compact, Model 124, Body style Convertible, Seats 4 ?,
Vehicle type Passenger ?, Plant Hiroshima Prefecture, Fuel Petrol.....all the rest have Available written in green .
So it's out there and some of the info is incorrect obviously. Cheers
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Just checked on "Vin-Info" site.....It registers there as a vehicle, shows the FIAT badge and has two lists showing Make, Version, Doors, Class, Model year, Engine config, Engine version, Kilowatts then second list to right Model, Body style, Seats, Vehicle type, Plant, Engine type, Cylinders, Displacing CID, Horsepower, Fuel .
The Make has Fiat written alongside, Doors 2, Class Sub Compact, Model 124, Body style Convertible, Seats 4 ?,
Vehicle type Passenger ?, Plant Hiroshima Prefecture, Fuel Petrol.....all the rest have Available written in green .
So it's out there and some of the info is incorrect obviously. Cheers
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Passenger makes sense, but 4 seats doesn't.
Was there anything resembling a build or release date?
 

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I have researched it and the vin is structured like this :

JC1NFAEKXL0144063

(J) - Production Country
(C1) - Manufacturer Code
(NF) - Vehicle Model
(AEK) - Engine size, transmission, specific trim level
(X) - Security Code
(L) - Year
(0) - Factory / Plant
(144063) - Production order

As Brexit was saying some parameters seem misinterpreted by the vin decoder site. I can offer you my VIN, just to compare. In my case I had previously decoded mine.

ZFANF6E4600115527

(Z) - Italy
(FA) - Fiat Auto
(NF) - 124 Spider
(6E4) - In my case this corresponds to the 1.4 140hp (Italian model)
(6) - Security code
(0) - 2016
(0) - Hiroshima
(115527) - Production order

In your case, it seems that the vin is more accurate regarding the 'production country', but fails to provide the correct manufacturer code, unless C1 is the code for Fiat USA. The engine specs are different but in the decoder comes out 1.4 regardless, so it is correct. The field year in your case it is a (L) which I guess it might stand for 'Last' maybe. The factory is the same, so Hiroshima. The production order obviously different.

What are your considerations?
 

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Passenger makes sense, but 4 seats doesn't.
Was there anything resembling a build or release date?
Hi Matey.....I see Federico has supplied an explanation of the code so I will not add to that. You could try the "Vin-info site (and others) yourself to see if you can progress further, the North American code should be easy enough to identufy from your "Alfa" Vin. The 4 seat bit means nothing, just an error I reckon, but the vehicle was recognised so exists...and with the ORDER NUMBER, as Federico has explained you should now be able to track your vehicle through your dealership. I did my Ford Escort XR3 i back in 1988 to the build in Karmann factory, Osnabrook, Germany and when I had my R53 Mini Cooper S I saw on that forum that people were invited to go along to Coventry, UK to see their vehicle being built on the day it started the two day production cycle so in 2020 you should be able, through your dealership, to do even more. Good Luck and Cheers
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