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Window regulators - Looks like they are an inherent weak spot

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Just this afternoon having put the roof back up, the passenger window stopped half way up making exactly the same noise the drivers side made 6 months ago when the regulator failed. Fortunately this time I was able to coax the window back up and have sourced a new one from Mazda at half the price Fiat quoted and in stock rather than a 2 week wait with Fiat.

In conversation with Mazda's parts man, he confirmed that water ingress causes internal corrosion and results in regulator failure. My car is coming up to 7 years old, with both regulators failing within 6 months of each other. I had noticed the passenger window going slow over the last few weeks, so if you notice the same It may be worth changing the regulator (part costs £45 from Mazda) before it fails and leaves you with a window you can't close.
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To be honest there was no mention of how the water ingress happens, but I'm positive that its nothing to do with window tinting or work done that involves stripping the doors - my car has neither tinted windows or had the doors stripped. Aftermarket window tinting in the UK is fairly limited (we don't get that much sun :LOL:) with the majority that is done tending to be done by the kids - not your typical 124/MX5 owner. - I dont think I have ever seen a latest gen MX5 with tinted windows.

You could open up the regulator spool (its not the motor that's the issue) but the spool is under tension and if that tension is released ( which can easily happen) its a bitch of a job to re wind it with the correct tension. When I replaced the drivers side regulator a few months ago I opened the old spool to see what was going on and the cable inside had significant corrosion inside that had led to the cable fraying and eventually snapping. At the time I hoped that this was a one off, but clearly not
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When I replaced the drivers side a few months back I did exactly the same as Tony and greased the new cable so hopefully that one should last longer. The window rubbers do prevent rain on the window simply pouring internally through the doors but are not usually completely water tight as the windows wouldn't move freely, hence car doors tend to have drain holes at the bottom (Ive not checked for the presence of drain holes but I'd be amazed if the are not there). I think the likely cause is a lack of thought re the choice for the spools location . Mazda probably thought most cars would be summer cars. Not so great for those of us who use our 124s as daily drivers in the desert conditions we experience in the UK
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To be honest chaps I think you are barking up the wrong tree regarding high pressure car washes as the culprit. Both my regulators have now failed within 6 months of each other, yet you could count on one hand the number of times I've taken my car to a car wash with uses high pressure washers as I'm concerned about the causing water leaks through the roof. On the odd occasion I've used them, the water jet has been at 90degrees to the window glass and not pointing down towards the weather strip. No doubt however we wash our cars ( unless its waterless and these seem to cause more problems for the paintwork) it puts more pressure on the weather strips than natural rain, but Ive never had a regulator fail on any other car in 38 years of car ownership and that has included high pressure car washes on hard top cars.
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The real annoyance for me in all this, apart from the big question mark over the reliability of the regulators and all the problems they cause if they fail with the window is down, is Fiat's scandalous profiteering on what is a poor quality part that they are responsible for fitting in the first place. Fiat charge almost twice as much as Mazda for the identical same part ( even stamped Mazda) When I enquired about a driver side regulatory 6 months ago, Fiat couldn't supply it for 2 weeks. - piss poor service for a customer with an window stuck down, open to the elements and vunerable to any light fingered scum who fancies helping themself to the car of its contents

Rant over :LOL:
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