[PureAdrenaline]

There is a distinct "beep" when the car is brought to rest (0:14), someone says "you ready?", and then on launch there is another "beep" (0:21), then one just before 30 mph (0:24), and finally at 60 mph (0:27).

I am gathering it is from a measuring device of some sort.

You are quite correct Pete...wasn't questioning that...my hearing on the upper pitches is not what it used to be and I can't here those beeps on the video even when i know where they are...I hear the one at rest but the others are drowned out by the exhaust noise for me:|

 

[PureAdrenaline]

I've no issue with this with at all; my point was you can't reasonably compare a car launched at ~8-900 rpm with one at ~2,400 rpm. There is of course going to be a time difference, most likely a second or two in this case.

Pete...there is a difference from 800-900 rpm but not that much...if you read my first post you will see that I talk about the converter not flashing well and that my first time was a 6.92 seconds...that run is from idle(900rpm)...about .5 second difference between loading the converter to 2400 and leaving at idle...

 

[PureAdrenaline]

I can't speak for the Fiat (they aren't sold here), but the published 0-100 kmh time for the automatic Abarth is 6.9 seconds.

There are instrumented times for the automatic Lusso of 6.9 seconds 0-60 mph...I believe the manual Abarth is easily a 6.3 6.4 second 0-60 mph car in the hands of an accomplished driver...i have seen 2 instrumented road test that posted similar numbers...this corresponds with your 0-100kmh time of 6.9 seconds for the automatic Abarth...I also know that my automatic Lusso was a 6.9-7.0 second 0-60 mph car when stock...which most likely put it in the 7.3 to 7.4 range for 0-100kmh(0-62 mph)...I think we are actually all on the same page now...my modifications have cut at least 1 full second off my 0-60 mph/0-100kmh times and I am quite happy with the results...now is the weather good over there???...get out and drive that car because I am...>

 

[Greg]

Last night on The Grand Tour (aka, the new Top Gear) they got a "naught to 60" time of 6.8 for a European 124 Abarth with a Manual and a Record Monza exhaust. That matches up really well with the Car and Driver time of 6.7 . Fiat's official website used to list the US 124 Abarth 0-60 at 6.8, but they have removed any references to 0-60 for some reasons, or maybe I just can't find it.

Note: Car and Driver's early reviews showed a time of 6.0, but that was an estimate. A lot of the early reviews showed low 6's. When they actually got the car and tested it, they got 6.8.

Regarding launch techniques, I think it goes without saying that in my testing I am using the same launch techniques before and after mods, which means I use whatever technique gets the best result short of abusing the car. In my testing and in Pure's the post mod times show about a 1 second drop in 0-60 times. I think that's a lot.

Greg

 

[JFernald]

Last night on The Grand Tour (aka, the new Top Gear) they got a "naught to 60" time of 6.8 for a European 124 Abarth with a Manual and a Record Monza exhaust. That matches up really well with the Car and Driver time of 6.7 . Fiat's official website used to list the US 124 Abarth 0-60 at 6.8, but they have removed any references to 0-60 for some reasons, or maybe I just can't find it.

Note: Car and Driver's early reviews showed a time of 6.0, but that was an estimate. A lot of the early reviews showed low 6's. When they actually got the car and tested it, they got 6.8.

Regarding launch techniques, I think it goes without saying that in my testing I am using the same launch techniques before and after mods, which means I use whatever technique gets the best result short of abusing the car. In my testing and in Pure's the post mod times show about a 1 second drop in 0-60 times. I think that's a lot.

Greg

My testing concurs with that of Greg and Pure. I got over 7 seconds when stock. My last run with the EDL and the V1 intake was 6.2.

 

[MotoPete]

Last night on The Grand Tour (aka, the new Top Gear) they got a "naught to 60" time of 6.8 for a European 124 Abarth with a Manual and a Record Monza exhaust.

All I can say is they weren't trying very hard. On a rather warm 27 degree C day, with heat shimmer off the spray sealed country road, two people in the car, A/C blasting away, a botched launch, a lowly ~5,800 rpm 1st to 2nd change, followed by an unnecessary (or early) change into 3rd at 90 km/h, and yet I still managed ~6.6 seconds to 100 km/h (~62 mp/h)...

For what it's worth, it would seem a drag racer I am not; well at least not whilst trying to do all the above whilst holding a camera steady anyway!

 

[RBH58]

All I can say is they weren't trying very hard. On a rather warm 27 degree C day, with heat shimmer off the spray sealed country road, two people in the car, A/C blasting away, a botched launch, a lowly ~5,800 rpm 1st to 2nd change, followed by an unnecessary (or early) change into 3rd at 90 km/h, and yet I still managed ~6.6 seconds to 100 km/h (~62 mp/h)...

What fuel are you running? 98RON?

 

[MotoPete]

Following on from above, why didn't I pick a better day? A better test surface? Ditch the passenger? Switch the A/C off? Practice launches? Practice shift changes? Mount the camera so that I could fully concentrate on what the car was doing?

I could have, and would have likely cut a few tenths as a result, but I'm not interested in abusing the car. This run, this one time, is a good enough indicator for me to see what it can do. I might give it a go again one day with whatever other modifications I do to the car, but not for now.

I'm of the mind that with an experienced drag racer behind the wheel, together with the right conditions, that low sixes would be on the cards for a 0-100 km/h run. Not too shabby for a stock car!

 

[MotoPete]

What fuel are you running? 98RON?

Yes, I use Caltex's Vortex Premium 98, not that it's tuned for it mind you.

 

[PureAdrenaline]

All I can say is they weren't trying very hard. On a rather warm 27 degree C day, with heat shimmer off the spray sealed country road, two people in the car, A/C blasting away, a botched launch, a lowly ~5,800 rpm 1st to 2nd change, followed by an unnecessary (or early) change into 3rd at 90 km/h, and yet I still managed ~6.6 seconds to 100 km/h (~62 mp/h)...

For what it's worth, it would seem a drag racer I am not; well at least not whilst trying to do all the above whilst holding a camera steady anyway!

Pete,

dont sell yourself short...that was an excellent job of launching a manual car...I am not sure you could have got that launch much better...I really didn't see anything wrong with your run...and a excellent time...looks to be around 6.5 seconds for 0-100kmh......that 1st to second gear change is a b****...in these cars it happens so fast...I would rather be a little early than late...you could have gotten rid of that extra weight though...lol>

 

[Greg]

Pete, your driving on the wrong side of the road! That was a very good launch though, and a good time.

Greg

 

[MotoPete]

It's kind of you guys, but not as good as the launch immediately preceding this one. Having just scared the bejesus out of the passenger and myself I let the clutch out too slowly on this run.

In the prior effort I clean dumped it; the car rocketed off the mark, skewing sideways whilst bouncing off the rev limiter. In trying to keep it straight I dropped the camera and completely ballsed the 1st - 2nd change. To repeat that effort I'd need to mount the camera and be fully concentrating on driving. Seat of the pants it was definitely a far quicker launch though. As I said previously, in the right hands, and in the right conditions, there's more to be had from the Abarth than what is claimed in the press.

 

[PureAdrenaline]

It's kind of you guys, but not as good as the launch immediately preceding this one. Having just scared the bejesus out of the passenger and myself I let the clutch out too slowly on this run.

In the prior effort I clean dumped it; the car rocketed off the mark, skewing sideways whilst bouncing off the rev limiter. In trying to keep it straight I dropped the camera and completely ballsed the 1st - 2nd change. To repeat that effort I'd need to mount the camera and be fully concentrating on driving. Seat of the pants it was definitely a far quicker launch though. As I said previously, in the right hands, and in the right conditions, there's more to be had from the Abarth than what is claimed in the press.

LOL...that's what made the second launch so good....enough to chirp the wheels but not bog the engine too much and keep everything going straight...its a fine line and an art that I personally suck at...and trying to hold the stinkin' camera at the same time... I still say a pretty darn good launch...

 

[alltimesaresoon]

This thread subject was a 0-60. I dared to suggest it was a meaningless measure subject to too many variables and not "real world" because nobody drives like that 99.99% of the time and I get flamed for suggesting it. I don't think it was off topic. As for the ESC v LSD thing, yes they are both improve control in very different ways. With a RWD car I'd lose ESC before I'd want to lose LSD.

I'd suggest you got flamed not for making the original point, but for continuing to make it

 

[JFernald]

My testing concurs with that of Greg and Pure. I got over 7 seconds when stock. My last run with the EDL and the V1 intake was 6.2.

I noticed that I had not updated my 0-60 time on this thread. I think I did it on another thread. I have not run a time for some time, but the last one I did was 5.98, or 5.89, I forget which. I am probably due to make another run soon. I think I can now get below those times.

 

[klikai]

Does it seems a bit slow for a 200WHP 2500lbs car to do 0-60 over 6 seconds???

 

[lynk26]

Does it seems a bit slow for a 200WHP 2500lbs car to do 0-60 over 6 seconds???

Nah, for this, gearing would have a bigger factor than horsepower, seeing as we have to shift to third for 60.

 

[alltimesaresoon]

Old thread but it seems to be the best place to report that my long drought in the 7s is over (since I got my dragy).

Leak in the intercooler line to the turbo, and a swap back to the stock wg solenoid (new Chinese ebay one apparently was junk) gave me an easy 6.22 with full tank of gas at altitude and not trying that hard.

5.9 seems easily achievable now, and yeah 7.1 to 6.22 does indeed feel a whole lot faster. Feels good to be in the neighborhood of where it oughta be

 

[alltimesaresoon]

Any 5.41 1 ft rollouts out there? At 6300 DA to boot?

I dare say the auto is faster than the manual with my latest upgrade....

 

[alltimesaresoon]

Compare my previous two posts and you can see that 0 to 30 is actually slower in the current test, yet full run is a half second better with the gains being 30 to 60.


Directly attributable to shift to 2nd and a little maybe from 2 to 3.

The higher 0 to 30 likely from 2000 higher DA. So likely another .2 or more to get by running it in winter. At least a 5.5, and 5.2 1 ft rollout in good weather.

Then who knows how much for a sea level run. Check signature for the last upgrade to the car. Probably worth its own thread....