[RBH58]

I must say this is where we find the Abarth is far superior to our previous (automatic) BRZ S which had a serious torque dip at around 4000 rpm.

Exactly. I think our Abarth would murder our BRZ 80-120 kph

 

[PureAdrenaline]

Worth a read if you're looking to put more power through your automatic...

http://forum.miata.net/vb/archive/index.php/t-563624.html

Yup...good info there. Heat is the enemy. A transmission cooler sounds like a good idea if you were going to do a lot of racing.

 

[JFernald]

Why are people so obsessed with 0-60 times? They are car abuse and not a great real world measure of performance anyway. And the 124 is a sports car not a drag racer. If you want to drag race you bought the wrong car.

I certainly disagree that 0-60 is not a real world performance measure. It doesn't get much more real world when you are turning onto a busy highway from a side road, which I did a number of times today on the AROC LM Fall Tour in Austin.

 

[RBH58]

I certainly disagree that 0-60 is not a real world performance measure. It doesn't get much more real world when you are turning onto a busy highway from a side road, which I did a number of times today on the AROC LM Fall Tour in Austin.

Where it matters very little whether you do it in 7 secs or 6 secs. NOBODY launches their car by dropping the clutch 99.99% of the time because it's car abuse. Because it's a generally accepted measure, car manufacturers often optimise for it (like 2nd runs out JUST over 100kph to avoid a gear change). Whether a car could do 0-100kph .5 sec faster than another car would have ZERO impact on my decision making. It means jack$#1t.

 

[JFernald]

Where it matters very little whether you do it in 7 secs or 6 secs. NOBODY launches their car by dropping the clutch 99.99% of the time because it's car abuse. Because it's a generally accepted measure, car manufacturers often optimise for it (like 2nd runs out JUST over 100kph to avoid a gear change). Whether a car could do 0-100kph .5 sec faster than another car would have ZERO impact on my decision making. It means jack$#1t.

The difference is you just got rear-ended by an 18 wheeler.

 

[Greg]

0-60/62 is a "generally accepted" measure, but it's not a good one or a "real world" one. 80-120kph (50-75mph) would be a much more "real world" measure and much less susceptible to "variables". I've owned cars like a Renaultsport Megane that struggle to launch cleanly and can only muster 6 secs 0-62 that can keep a Boxster S honest 50-75. That's "real world" performance.

It depends on what "real world" you are living in. If your daily commute is driving down Ventura Blvd in the San Fernando Valley then 0-60 is very real world. There are a lot of place in the U.S.A. where the Stop Light Grand Prix is a daily test of performance.

This scenario just doesn't happen much in Europe. In most European countries, when you are sitting at a stop light, it's usually when there is only one lane going each way, and when there are more, and you are lined up against someone else, there is too much traffic for an impromptu illegal speed contest.

Thus 0-60 does matter in some places, and in others, it doesn't.

Greg

 

[JFernald]

Looking at the question from a different perspective: Isn't any argument against 0-60 being important, an argument against the Limited Slip Differential being important, when you already have Electronic Stability Control? They serve similar functions in keeping power focused on the proper wheel, and the only time when the ESC is not significantly effective is at launch.

 

[RBH58]

There are a lot of place in the U.S.A. where the Stop Light Grand Prix is a daily test of performance

I really don't need to get in a daily my d**k is bigger than your d**k thing. And if you needed to compensate that way then you'd buy a Hellcat. But where I want a car to perform is when I'm on a single lane highway (we have heaps of them in Aus) and I want to pass a 34 wheel B Double.

 

[RBH58]

Looking at the question from a different perspective: Isn't any argument against 0-60 being important, an argument against the Limited Slip Differential being important, when you already have Electronic Stability Control? They serve similar functions in keeping power focused on the proper wheel, and the only time when the ESC is not significantly effective is at launch.

Huh? How do you draw that bow. ESC & LSD don't serve the same purpose at all.

 

[PureAdrenaline]

RBH58...I think we all understand at this time that you don't believe 0-60 is a mark of all world performance. Fine...that is your opinion. However this thread was started for those who believe it is and would like to discuss it as such. I suggest you start your own thread about your topic and quit taking this one off track.

 

[RBH58]

RBH58...I think we all understand at this time that you don't believe 0-60 is a mark of all world performance. Fine...that is your opinion. However this thread was started for those who believe it is and would like to discuss it as such. I suggest you start your own thread about your topic and quit taking this one off track.

Im discussing 0-60 times. How is that "off track"?

 

[PureAdrenaline]

"I really don't need to get in a daily my d**k is bigger than your d**k thing. And if you needed to compensate that way then you'd buy a Hellcat."

How is this derogatory comment about 0-60 times??

 

[JFernald]

Huh? How do you draw that bow. ESC & LSD don't serve the same purpose at all.

I'll give this one last try. The definition of Electronic Stability Control is: "a computerized technology that improves a vehicle's stability by detecting and reducing loss of traction (skidding)." Do you think a limited slip differential does something other than "reducing loss of traction?"

 

[RBH58]

I'll give this one last try. The definition of Electronic Stability Control is: "a computerized technology that improves a vehicle's stability by detecting and reducing loss of traction (skidding)." Do you think a limited slip differential does something other than "reducing loss of traction?"

Isn't this off topic? But actually LSD can help induce oversteer whereas ESC stops all kinds of slip. If you think they have the same purpose, you are not using them right

 

[MotoPete]

... and I want to pass a 34 wheel B Double.

Or a 58 wheel triple deck Road Train!

I can understand how the traffic light grand prix might be important to some; but unless you're prepared to fork out for some serious modifications then results with a car like the 124 are always going to be fairly mediocre to be honest. If that's the goal you could achieve a lot more, with a lost less, by picking up something with far more cubic inches...

Personally I'd rather not embarrass myself, but still each to their own. Nick Sanders once circumnavigated the world on a Yamaha R1. :|

 

[Greg]

As Pure said, if you don't think 0-60 is important, than you are in the wrong thread. This thread was started with a single purpose, and that was for 0-60 times.

I fully understand the importance of passing big trucks on the highway. We have that in the US as well, big triple trailer trucks, and sometimes you have to pass a double trailer on a two lane road. The extra power from Euro+Drive Lite is very helpful in these situations. However LSD is totally worthless in that scenario since the car isn't going to be breaking its tires loose in the 50+ and up highway range anyway.

LSD primarily helps in three conditions. It helps a lot at very low speeds when tire spin is a factor. That's why it's relevant to 0-60 times. It also helps at the track when exiting a tight corner with a lot of power on. In that condition without LSD the inside wheel can sometimes spin. That second scenario is mostly a race track issue, as it's pretty tough to drive the car that hard on the street, and even if you do, on the street you probably don't care than much about shaving off a tiny bit of time before the next corner. The third condition is when your car would otherwise be stuck on a slippery surface, like ice.

LSD and ESC are different, but at times perform very similar functions. However I think that's a subject for another thread, as is the Hellcatenis Size topic.

Greg

 

[Greg]

Or a 58 wheel triple deck Road Train!

That's when you need Euro+Drive Lite

I can understand how the traffic light grand prix might be important to some; but unless you're prepared to fork out for some serious modifications then results with a car like the 124 are always going to be fairly mediocre to be honest. :|

That depends entirely on what car is next to you. If it's a new Corvette or Mustang you're right. However it's often a souped up Cooper S, BRZ, Honda Civic SI, RX8, 500 Abarth, Fiesta ST or some other car that's in the same class in terms of acceleration. In those cases mods often make the difference between winning and loosing.

Greg

 

[MotoPete]

That's when you need Euro+Drive Lite

Are we still talking about 0-60 times here, because if you loose to a Road Train from a standing start you're definitely doing something wrong... >

That depends entirely on what car is next to you. If it's a new Corvette or Mustang you're right. However it's often a souped up Cooper S, BRZ, Honda Civic SI, RX8, 500 Abarth, Fiesta ST or some other car that's in the same class in terms of acceleration. In those cases mods often make the difference between winning and loosing.

Greg

That's a fair point Greg, one can always pick their fights, so to speak.

 

[RBH58]

This thread subject was a 0-60. I dared to suggest it was a meaningless measure subject to too many variables and not "real world" because nobody drives like that 99.99% of the time and I get flamed for suggesting it. I don't think it was off topic. As for the ESC v LSD thing, yes they are both improve control in very different ways. With a RWD car I'd lose ESC before I'd want to lose LSD.

 

[RBH58]

However it's often a souped up Cooper S, BRZ, Honda Civic SI, RX8, 500 Abarth, Fiesta ST or some other car that's in the same class in terms of acceleration. In those cases mods often make the difference between winning and loosing.

Whoever is having more fun wins. Drag races are a pissing contest.